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That's not a solution. It's a way for you to avoid the problem. It does nothing to help the millions of people who are already deeply invested in the Apple ecosystem.
then sell apple
Not a solution.
This not only has a time and effort cost attached to it but selling your used hardware to buy new hardware is always a bad value proposition.
Then sell stonks.
(For legal purposes this is a joke.)
This could even go as high as a 'don't buy'
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERjJDjjUYAEutgQ.jpg
Don't buy! Don't buy!
Perfect for the genius bar.
sunk cost fallacy
Not sure if it's a fallacy if it's about addressing people who have spent a ton on an ecosystem and can't just devote more money to buy the alternative and time to figure out the parts that aren't compatible
What parts aren't compatible? And you can load Linux and Windows on all Mac's. You can also sell your iPhone and buy an android phone with money left over... getting out of the apple closed ecosystem is cheaper than sticking with it.
For most people, time is not regarded to be free (i.e. not a cost). As a devoted Linux user, the adage that "Linux is only free if you don't value your time" is absolutely true.
Uhh ok install windows then?
Learning Windows is still a time cost. You're also losing your library of Mac software and quite a few interoperability features between your other Apple products.
??? So you're plan is to just say fuck it, and continue to be fucked over by apple? The fuck logic is that? Almost all software has a replacement in windows/Linux. I work in all 3 ecosystems, there is very little that lacks an alternative in each os. Sticking to osx/iOS is just a cop out.
No. My argument is that if Apple isn't going to open up their ecosystem to genuine competition and genuine interoperability then they need to have their hand forced through regulation.
Telling people to just stop buying Apple products is a lazy, knee-jerk self-righteous response that ignores the realities of platform lock-in.
Good luck with that...I vote with my wallet instead of buying into fad shit.
You seem to think that regulation doesn't work. Luckily, we have a test case set up for us in real-life.
In the United States, consumers relied on voting with their wallets. In the European Union, regulatory agencies forced Apple to take pro-consumer moves through regulation.
Now take a look at which approach produced results and which approach left consumers continuing to complain about the lack of interoperability and the lack of competition in Apple's walled garden.
Cool, tell me again where we are? And if you think legislation will actually be brought up and passed here in the states...
You can't refund anything that's not physical, for one...
Where did I say refund anything?
You asked what parts aren't compatible, and one answer is everything bought for Apple computers, iPhones, iPads, etc. Apps, media, anything that isn't subscription based.
And windows/Android/Linux all have alternatives. This is not an excuse.
What's the alternative to $5,000 of DRM encrypted media exclusively served by Apple?
The point of this thought experiment is to understand that sunk cost is a real thing outside of a fallacy.
What media is served by apple only?
This
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203375
This
https://www.apple.com/apple-books/
This
https://www.apple.com/itunes/
??? All of that is accessible on both other OS's
*sigh*
https://www.apple.com/app-store/
??? What's this supposed to be? Shit that's on the app store...also exists in the android store, usually it's a 1 to 1.
I (and other people) have already said that re-buying the same products and learning alternative ones is expensive in both time and money. That's the point.
And I don't know a ton of iOS killer apps but you would probably have to convince people with a ton of effort that Procreate is replaced by something on Android, let alone any other app I don't know about
And I've already pointed out that almost all products you buy are not OS specific...the license is for the software not the OS. So you don't have to rebuy, but that seems to be something the fanboys are missing.
Every Apple mobile app only runs on Apple hardware. Unless you assume 100% luck or 100% foresight, which is rare, every app that runs on a different platform was written for that different platform in addition to the Apple one.
Where did I say that you can run ios apps directly on Android or osx dmgs on Windows? I never did, I said they almost always have versions of it that run on different platforms. There is a windows version of Photoshop....so your logic here is that osx version of Photoshop cannot run on Windows...no shit...
Okay, so you would advise someone who bought, say, Photoshop on a Mac OS to consider that cost sunk, and then to purchase what on Linux?
Gimp for Linux. It's free even.
On top of that the Photoshop license is not os specific. You can use it for Windows or osx.
Gimp has a small subset of Photoshop features... That's... Common knowledge
Ok? And Photoshop license isn't for just osx... you're literally proving the point that you can migrate but you don't want to because of some stupid allegiance to apple
I... Don't like Apple at all. I'm engaging in a thing called a thought experiment, which is required to rationally assess why somebody might not want to throw away things they have purchased and devote both more time and more money to something that doesn't work as well as it.
So I don't know what all the cool killer Mac apps. Replace Photoshop with the name of a bunch of cool killer Mac apps, and repeat the question.
Well if you're playing devil's advocate then I guess ok? But that's a tough job on this one, as there are very little pros to sticking with apple.
That is the solution though, always has been. Vote with your wallet.
Yeah, let's ignore the entire history of labor, environmental, safety, and product regulations, and believe everything is the way it is because of our dogmatic free market feefees.
Lol for a moment there I thought I was going off the rails with my puffa jacket rant above, but your segway into "free market feefees" is far more unhinged.
Username checks out
free market works when the market is actually free.
As soon as entry costs are introduced into the market, the free market falls apart.
Think of the costs of building factories, rnd, lawyers, etc.
Apple: opens its wallet
Lol that's basically the Brave attitude, drown out the controversy with a marketing campaign and pull in more new unsuspecting users than the ones you lose.
voting with your wallet doesn't work when most people would buy anyway (whether it's because they're ignorant, trapped to do so, etc)
The minority of people that actually care and know about privacy and software freedom is just a tiny statistic in Apple's perspective, so voting with your wallet doesn't work.
"My actions mean nothing because everyone else won't do it" is exactly what everyone else is thinking.
You're making excuses. Be the change you know should happen. Don't be a sheep.
Don't buy puffa jackets. Seriously. They're fucking everywhere now. Don't do it, you don't need it, they're cheap and overpriced.
I'm already taking actions, but I do it with the understanding that it won't make much of a difference.
I'm sorry to break your bubble but most people just don't care. They want their computer to play a video off the internet, and don't care how long that takes as long as it works. Maybe they'll care about things in the specific interests they have, but they won't care about computers, software, and libre software.
We, people that care about software freedom are a minority and we need to accept that. And the only way to get things done when you're in the minority is to borrow power from the majority, e.g. by passing legislation.
Most people not caring isn't a concern of mine. Apple being wealthy isn't a concern of mine. What concerns me is that the products I use flourish and develop in ways that I like. I don't use Apple, so I don't particularly care about them - I just watch the drama from the sidelines.
You're not bursting my bubble in any way, but you are being a little pretentious.
You cannot root out the evil from within such massive companies. Nvidia still has a stranglehold on the market with CUDA. Literally the only thing one can do is to employ their wallet towards more fruitful endeavours, like donating and purchasing Android in this case. People who are invested into Apple are going to have to face that they made a choice moving away from freedom, even though I understand that staying the odd one out socially isn't a lot of fun. There's nothing to be done here unless someone with a lot of money and lawyers sues Apple. Know anyone willing to do that?