It's possible that people can actually be former leftists/socialists/communists/etc and have "left the left" so to speak. I've been noticing here that the common response to this will be "they were never really leftists/socialists/etc. anyways" or "they were never really serious to begin with." It's possible that it could be the case, or maybe they actually were on the left, but they just didn't have the stomach for the real shit I guess.

I think we shouldn't be too quick to jump to using the "no true scotsman" fallacy in these cases. For those who don't know, it's basically saying "you weren't REALLY a leftist, cuz otherwise you never would have left." The same argument is used by religious people when someone leaves the faith: "oh they were never a REAL christian, otherwise they wouldn't have become atheist/agnostic."

To give some concrete examples, take Eldridge Cleaver. He actually was a Black Panther, radical, communist, etc. but then later in life became a Reagan conservative. Or Angela Davis. She actually was a radical but now she tells people to vote for Biden.

TL;DR: People can and do change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

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[–] Deadend@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Clarence Thomas left the left when he decided “can’t beat ‘em, join em” after encountering the rich conservatives.

But almost every one of these “I left the left” people seem to have a weird “a trans cat girl made fun of me on Twitter.. so I totally changed my views about justice and how the world should be” It simply doesn’t make sense.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Many such cases, we’ve had at least a few people here who got called out for latent reactionary stuff by marginalized comrades and had it activate the hitler gene imbedded in their brain lol

I always assume most of those types are the “i want health care” kind who are in it for their own economic reasons not so much that they care about oppressions others face under capitalism

[–] Deadend@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I want health care.. but also it wasn’t hard to extend the empathy to other people and similar goals.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Right me too there’s just a type of leftist who’s primary concern begins and ends with their own interests and all that other shit is secondary

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