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Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that's not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
Does that clarify things for you?
I'm not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it's important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It's useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don't think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I'm more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that's fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of "communist" countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
Plenty to learn from, not much to emulate.
They're arguing in bad faith. Ignore them.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2, and somehow even might believe Russia isn't the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
Do I want them to take Ukraine? Nah.
Does the United States/NATO actually care if Ukraine loses? Nah
Ask the 80k USA troops on China's border if they've even heard of Ukraine ;)
Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It's certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you've pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
Broadly, they'd be examples of tankies supporting the conflict.
As for the rest, it's sitting with you to continue the conversation by answering my follow-up questions.
Tell you to open your eyes to the USA not giving a shit about Ukraine isn't automatically some kind of russian-plot, or "supporting" the conflict. Most leftists are against the war, but the USA is not against the war.
I swear the libs on here are equally as disillusioned about the real world as straight-up-republicans. You've been lied to your entire lives, teach yourself comrade.
You haven't answered my questions. This isn't a conversation - it's just you dumping nonsense on everyone.
Noone is talking about a Russian plot involving the US but you. I can't help you confusing imagination with reality. Tankies, Nazis and Nazbols are generally supporting Russia's annexation.
The US has provided significant support to Ukraine, and Russia is a hostile to the US. It's in the best interests of the US to support Ukraine with military hardware that would otherwise be decommissioned.
I've given you no reason to think I'm a lib, and based on the nonsense you're spouting, I suspect you're no comrade of mine.
If this is the level you're engaging at, I'm not interested. Feel free to take it elsewhere.
lmao
>50% of your defendant's army ignores the war in its entirety and focuses on the "China bad" angle instead lol