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Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

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[–] voight@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

There is nothing I want more than for the "red fascism" accusation stuff to dissipate so the air is clear enough to talk about things the USSR actually made mistakes with.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I actually just asked a related question in another post in an attempt to learn so I want to genuinely ask what you think were mistakes of the USSR?

I don't think USSR was at all fascist, for the record.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Oh my bad those are scare quotes around the terminology. "Marcyist" is another one that shows someone is really from another era of punching left and likely works for a think tank.

This is a huge tangent but I was searching the keyword "leftbook" on here and some of the descriptions kind of fit what I think OP wants. It sounds worse than r/stupidpol.

You literally can't have a coherent discussion of shit if you allow people to casually regurgitate everything CNN or Fox tells them. There's nothing about the liberal fixation on democracy that makes anything Hitler wanted impossible.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

leftbook

Oh god, don't get me started on that trash heap.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It seems like everyone here completely got over even screenshotting them years ago so I can imagine 🤣

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was there pre and during bernies 2016 momentum, and distinctly remember a well-beloved figure on there literally working as an information officer for the us navy, and openly advertising it on their linkedin. Absolute baby brains.

[–] voight@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, not surprised to see people gatekeeping leftism on Hexbear... we need vets too 🧐

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Damn, guess i'm gonna be banned for fedjacketing again lmao

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