You nerds trying to rehab this social imperialist need to read what he actually says. He's a chauvinist of the highest degree. Keep in mind NJR lives in a country that is at war currently with DPRK, has killed millions of Koreans & is an imperialist superpower.
Myers says that the DPRK’s governing ideology has been misunderstood by the United States. We think of it as “authoritarian communist,” thanks to its all-powerful state and various Stalinist trappings. But Myers says this is misleading: The regime is closer in character to fascism, because of its racism and nationalism (Stalinists have many unappealing qualities, but they do not build their ideology around race and nation). The communist elements, Myers says, are window dressing. Even Kim Il-Sung himself knew little about Marxism, and he dismayed the Russians when they quizzed him on it. And strictly speaking, the regime operates as a monarchy. Myers says that “socialism” is not the right term, because it doesn’t describe the self-image we see in the state’s propaganda, which heavily emphasizes the purity of North Koreans and their need for a protective parent-leader. Demick acknowledges that Kim Il-Sung “rejected traditional Communist teachings about universalism” and “was a Korean nationalist in the extreme” who treated Koreans almost as a “chosen people.”
For example, personally, I find Myers’ explanation appealing. If I’m being honest, though, that’s probably partly because it lumps Kim Jong Un in with right-wing fascists, and distances him from the left. I’ve always felt that “socialists” have no more responsibility for dictatorships that call themselves socialist than democratic republicans have for, well, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Since I oppose dictatorships universally, pointing out that there have been “leftist” dictatorships poses no actual challenge to my politics. Instinctively, though, I confess that I’d feel relieved if Kim Jong Un was lumped in with the right rather than the left.
He is quoting Brian Reynolds Meyers and agreeing with him on the DPRK, even after admitting to knowing basically nothing about the country earlier in the article. Thousands of social imperialist nerds are reading this and nodding along, cementing their ridiculous chauvinist worldviews and failing their revolutionary duties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Reynolds_Myers
Brian Reynolds Myers (born 1963), usually cited as B. R. Myers, is an American professor of international studies at Dongseo University in Busan, South Korea, best known for his writings on North Korean propaganda. He is a contributing editor for The Atlantic and an opinion columnist for The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. Myers is the author of Han Sǒrya and North Korean Literature (Cornell, 1994), A Reader's Manifesto (Melville House, 2002), The Cleanest Race (Melville House, 2010), and North Korea's Juche Myth (Sthele Press, 2015).
Myers was born in New Jersey, near Fort Dix. His mother is British, and his father was a U.S. Army officer from Pennsylvania who served in South Korea as a military chaplain, often helping out local orphans.
Myers spent his childhood in Bermuda and his high school youth in apartheid-era South Africa, and received graduate education in West Berlin during the early 1980s, occasionally visiting East Germany. He earned an MA degree in Soviet studies at Ruhr University (1989) and a PhD degree in Korean studies with a focus on North Korean literature at the University of Tübingen (1992). Myers subsequently taught German in Japan and worked for a Mercedes-Benz liaison office in Beijing during the mid-1990s.
This guy is a Liberal. Stop trying to make NJR cool, he's never going to be cool
If it's a bannable offense to call out social imperialists then ban me, I don't want to be on a site where they are protected. The merciful Lenin would have shot everyone in those rooms.
It is not bannable to call out liberals for being liberals. It is not sectarian to call out liberals for being liberals.
Our anti-sectarian rules are designed to prevent unnecessary bad-faith shitflinging between different communist tendencies and anarchists, not to protect social fascists.
Glad to hear it, good policy. I've deleted previous comments I've had that could be seen as skirting the line and apologize for incendiary behavior towards communists, socialists and those on the anti-imperialist left. However, I won't apologize for clearly stating what is and what is not social-chauvinism
I do recommend that everyone on the site always take a deep breath and then edit their reply to be 5% nicer before hitting the send button, but yeah. Anti-liberalism is not sectarian. Think of the rule like a method for preventing the infighting that ended the First International, not a method for incorporating chauvinism into leftist theory.
Social Chauvinism is what ended the First International. Inadequate discipline to revolutionary duty is the exact problem.
The first international ended due to divisions between Bakunin's anarchist faction and the Marxist faction over the concept of authoritarianism. I think you might be thinking of the end of the second international, where the largely incrementalist Kautskyites were drummed out over their social chauvinism and leading to the creation of the Comintern.
Oh yeah my bad actually, you're right. I'm mixed it up with the 2nd one with the Kautskyites and WW1 and misspoke
No worries, comrade!
Do you have a good history books about the 1st you'd recommended?
I recommend The Minute Book of the General Council of the International Working Men’s Association, as well as Statism and Anarchy which is more or less the book that established the separate current of Anarchism
Thanks
I'm not particularly familiar with it, I just know I've encountered a lot of smug soc dem defenders on here lately and it perplexes me because like 80% of people seem mostly cool until some thread about a social chauvinist and suddenly everyone comes out of the woodwork to give the most milquetoast social democrat opportunist mealy mouthed nonsense. Like seeing Vaushite weeds springing up in your well kept yard
There have been literal Vaush people lurking around since the original post-reddit ban Discord and honestly I peaced out for a while since I wondered if they got a mole in here (or something, a secret third thing, look, there was a lot of talk about wreckers so I mentally connected it with Haz and Vaush who I had seen scouting y'all literally, they do that shit, they are huge dweebs) messing shit up. I would just rather deal with needing an actual mass report from Nazis than getting banned over the perception something I said was too harsh on Robert Evans because he's an anarchist.
Before you doubt it, tell me why there is a video of Haz reporting an even SMALLER left unity website to the literal FBI and telling his followers to do the same, but it's impossible for this place to lose safety by obscurity it never had to begin with.
Haz was on chapo.chat in the first year, he got drummed out for being a shit-brain liberal
One of their mods showed up in TrueAnon etcetera, they are down bad. They literally don't do anything else. Their ideology is based around building his engagement. Nihilistic clowns.
I was in both threads commenting only about his Social Chauvinism and received nothing but pushback from apologists for this, who engaged in pretty blatant and smug social imperialism. I linked this article. I didn't talk about the union busting at all and don't care, I have no stance on that as it's too boring to read about. This is rehabilitating a social chauvinist who has not corrected his position, and has no right calling himself a socialist while endorsing genocide of Korea and repeating the lies that sustain the embargo and siege of another nation for decades
I love how all NJR defenders have the same smug, bad faith indirect way of arguing around the point because they can't admit I'm right. It's so skeevy how some people here just really don't care about imperialism and act very smug and ironic about it. Frankly disgusting behavior, there are non-westerners on here who have to smell the slime leak off you
Literally the same tactic over and over, smug arrogance and word games and ignoring everything I state. You do this, blanqui does this, and the other social imperialism defenders all do this. It's just a game to you. "Nothing even actually matters" nihilism is the last resort of the scoundrel. It's the smug, laughing defense of a guilty person on trial who is past any chance of getting free or being proven innocent. "Yeah so what, who gives a fuck". Wow great argument. Fascists use it too you know.
Meta-discussion instead of discussion. You can't address my point and you keep dodging away, unable to admit that social imperialism is unacceptable
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This is such a cowardly deflection. If the moderation had any sense, you'd be banned specifically for this because it demonstrates total bad faith.
Done, for 10 days.
What are you even trying to say here? That because this dude turned out to not be a union buster, we should all just ignore that he seems to have vaush-tier takes on other shit?
It's pure parasociality
Attachment to individual politicians and their personalities instead of the politics they represent is the twelfth type of Liberalism