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They are all on T.
sTeroids?
Tren, but yes.
For sure a good six months of perfect training and diet, plus the steroids, AND the water manipulation.
I thought the T meant Testosterone, like TRT, Testosterone Replacement Therapy which is common for older men.
Like anything though, there's a fine line between use and abuse.
and Amphetamines
yea bro we could actually get everything we would all look like that and all die at 50
Nah, they'll all live to 70s-80s. Cause in addition to having access to these body-destroying drugs, they also have access to cutting edge medicine, and let me tell you, medicine ain't what it was like in the 80s. We have solved lots of the problems these people will face due to these drugs. Sure, they'll have a worse quality of life than if they never took them but we can make sure they survive. The rich have it good coming and going.
Or peptides. Peptide experimentation is rampant. Will probably lead to some weird cancers in 5-10 years
Im gonna ask you. What exactly is the problem with that?
I can walk into a plastic surgeon and talk about how I dont like my eyes/ears/nose/lips/etc and they will take a fucking scalpel and cut me up. I can get hair implants, butt implants, pec implants. I could eat until I have to waddle into a doctors office to be offered a veritable menu of weight loss drugs and invasive surgeries. If I were a woman and pound weight loss drugs, engage in extreme dieting and get some "work done" the general attitude will be "Yass Queen, live your best life!" and not to be transphobic (Its not coming from that place, think what you want) but I could even wholeheartedly believe that my entire gender is wrong and recieve surgeries, hormones and therapies to change that.
But because I'm a grown man in good shape who works out 6 days a week, despite their being an extensive list of drugs and compounds that can relatively safely* give me the body I'd love to have I'm not allowed to have them because they are "performance enhancing" like that isnt the whole reason I want them. I am told, that even with strict medical supervision, bloodwork and other support I'm straight up not allowed. People act like the recipe isnt "Steroids... and a FUCKLOAD OF WORK"
One example of a problem is the fact that the majority of them do not openly talk about it. In fact it's the opposite, they deny taking PEDs and claim it's all hard work and that anybody can achieve it.
A more specific example is Chris Hemsworth who sells training programs that claim to give you his physique. Don't you see the problem with this?
I do agree with you that it if people want to use it they should, under medical supervision and with full understanding of the risks and commitment they bring. My limited understanding of using exogenous hormones is that your body will lose the ability to properly make them and one is bound to taking them for life.
I see a problem with people lying about it, especially if they are profiting off the lie or using it to gain an unfair advantage in sports. The fact that they are illegal and you have to get them underground exacerbates the problem. Its not on your medical history, theres no official records of you being on them so you can lie.
The issue I have is theres a social distain towards steroids that seems unfair when compared to all the other things I listed. I'm not ashamed to tell you that I'm not on steroids, but only because I dont have reliable access to them. Because they are extremely illegal in Australia and because we are an island nation hard to smuggle in and therefore HORRIBLY expensive. If I could have my doctor manage a sensibly dosed regime, Id start tomorrow and I wouldnt lie for a second about it.
You're half right about the hormones, you experience supression when coming off a cycle thats pretty much directly proportional to your dosage and duration when on steroids. Which is why Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is a must, suplements that help rebalance your hormones and bring testosterone production back up.
The problem with them being illicit and distained is that theres nothing stopping people from just setting their own insane dosages, running terrible stacks (multiple different drugs/compounds), not doing adequate PCT and generally making up their own rules, leading to bad outcomes.
I agree with you that the stigma around them is not a net positive. Adults should be able to use tools available, in a safe way and if they don't harm others in the process. Legalizing their use would also minimize problems from illegal trade.
Thanks for the info on the PCT, was not aware. The examples I read were extreme, were the person had been using for years and in high doses so they were effectively dependent on them.
I’m fine with steroid usage but want people to be honest about it.
Agreed, they have to lie because its illegal, the ones who lie and sell workout plans are con-artists. Simple.
Yeah, I just wish it weren’t so taboo. It would be great if folks could just be honest so you could get a better idea of—
-This is the physique that is generally achievable for someone of my size who is natty -This is the physique that is generally achievable for someone of my size with just Cyp -This is what I can achieve with tren
Etc, etc
The meme sort of explains why.