On grand scale - when they ~~failed~~ were stopped at stalingrad/reaching oilfields, but like it requires a lot of whatifs and blahblah. By 1943 soviets were advancing 500 km a year, and germany industry couldn't suddenly double its outputs, so war direction is fairly easy to see.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Someone drop that paper/book from the U.S. military directly saying the USSR would have won the war without us

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

yes please

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Look I'm a professional i've played a lot of victoria 3 and when the front starts moving like that between great powers it's over, one side has either lost too many men, morale, or materiel to put up an effective defense, much less push back

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

They were done the moment they didn't finish off the British before invading the USSR

[–] huf@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

yes, in hindsight they lost in like january of 1942, but because they refused to admit it, it took a few more years to explain it to them.