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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (39 children)

I believe it is a good idea, not only will it foster a closer feeling of unity and understanding between citizens, it will also be something all citizens have in common, and something you can talk about with anyone.

I am a bit sad that I never got to do it, I did muster, but failed the hearing test, at the time I was relieved, but now, I miss it sort of.

[–] Devi@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago (25 children)

Being forced to risk your life for something you don't believe in won't create a feeling of unity.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 years ago (24 children)

So you don't believe in fighting against invasion by a foregin power?

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In what reality would Germany ever get invaded and not deserve it?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why do you think they deserve it now?

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They're sending weapons to Saudi Arabia and Israel. They put sanctions on Afghanistan that are causing a famine. They're funding Frontex, which kills migrants in the Mediterranean and those who make it get put into concentration camps. And that's just some of it. The German government are war criminals and serial human rights abusers. Anyone who takes up arms to defend these people is complicit.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And don't forget Germany never underwent denazification

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While I don't know how accurate this statement is, I do wonder how you would go about doing it now, so far after the war.

Where would you even start?

What criteria would you use to determine the nazi index of every person, what index value would be the threashhold, who would decide on who is nazi and who is nice.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would be very easy just take people who use to be in the party and kick them out like they should have at the get-go. Not that it matters because they have very little animus to do so.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do the Nazi party still exist in germany?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I believe there's a party with a lot of the same values fighting to be allowed onto the ballots.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That’s not the point. Nazi officials, generals and party members were integrated into the nascent west German state and NATO right after WW2. Explicitly by the US to help “fight communism”. Cause you know, the best anti-communists are the Nazis…

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

Oh, I know that parts of Germany didn't go through denazification, but my question was more about how to solve that problem today.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

Ok, I agree with ypu on some of the points, and I can see why you disagree with the actions of the military

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