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Daihatsu, the Japanese automaker owned by Toyota, has halted domestic production after admitting it forged the results of safety tests for its vehicles for more than 30 years.

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 182 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

There is no fine on earth that could be levied that would discourage others from doing this. If they have profits higher then who cares.

I'm in favor of forceful dissolution.

If you prove you cannot run a company safely, repeatedly violate safety violations and continue to do so for DECADES then you shouldn't be allowed to sell any product, ever again, to the public. The company should be scrapped and all assets sold off or let the government take it and start making cars but drop the cost massively and only sell to its citizens ala pharmaceuticals.

People get their drivers license taken away for far less than this. For pretty small things overall. Toyota laughed at customer safety for 30 years and has only admitted it when caught. Why the fuck is this company allowed to continue existing?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Similar to the VW emissions scandal:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

That wasn't over 30 years though...

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was the first thing that came to mind. Also should have been scrapped.

If you're violating regulations you literally cannot be trusted on anything else.

[–] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

Fines are just the cost of doing business to these bastards.

[–] Magrath@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't think that's the way to do it. The workers who have nothing to do with it get shafted by losing their jobs and there is a little less competition in a world where there isn't enough in some industries. I think long jail sentences will the best deterrent. Fines only do so much. C-level executives needs to start going to jail.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

Shutter a company and instead of a fine force the company to continue paying those workers at full pay for a defined amount of time like 5-10 years.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

But that would encourage workers to speak up if they see their companies doing something wrong because it could make everyone lose their jobs. I think that would be a benefit overall.

I agree people should go to jail too. For sure

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is no fine on earth that could be levied that would discourage others from doing this. If they have profits higher then who cares.

when the punishment is a fine, it's only a crime if you're poor.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

i agree but good luck enforcing that on capitalism