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[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Maybe this is misguided of me but I’m more concerned about the far right that does participate in German society than these seclusionists. They’re basically trying to do a hostile takeover of a village which is concerning, but I’m far more concerned about the growing popularity and eventual rise to power of the AfD.

[–] CommieCretzl@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think these could act as a base of support for the AfD though. I'm not very informed about German politics, but I don't think these have to be mutually exclusive.

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

Nah, they're two different and parallel fash movements. Reichsbürger are basically the German equivalent to Sovereign Citizens. Weirdos that nobody takes seriously. In fact, they kinda rose to prominence after the AfD. Beyond a few shootouts with the cops, the most prominent thing they did was the ridiculous coup plot earlier this year - but that had 0 chance of succeeding and was basically preparations for adventurism.

Also, fascist attempts at rural hegemony aren't new and are actually kinda successful in the east - and not just Varg-style LARP-Villages like Jamel, but the AfD is largely hegemonic in the countryside in the east and has had success in the West as well.

[–] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I assumed that the people taking part in these are already AfD voters or are even further right. If you’re worried that these will allow far right or far right inclined people’s to be further radicalized then yeah that could easily be an issue.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This looks like it's sort of a far-right parody of dual power, so I think that it's the inevitable product if they are anywhere near successful that they will use the political and cultural power of the municipal institutions that they've seized in order to spread fascism among the general population.

Oh shit good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

There is a very odd amount of things in germany that are

a) very vital to everyday life

b) in the responsibilities of the municipalities to administrate

c) have absolutely 0 fucking oversight

Like usually this just nets you corruption but a municipality infiltrated by the nazis enough is on a pretty fucking good way to kick out everyone deemed unfit by way of bureaucratic bullying