I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 56 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The Facebook hatred is understandable and justified, but defederating with Threads is a misguided idea:

Federation is not required for them to be able to pull the data. Even if you block an instance, they can still pull whatever they want.
By closing down with Threads, you'll be basically guaranteeing that that all the millions of people that are there will never be able to migrate away.
By getting major (current) instances to defederate with Threads, it gets easier for Threads to just say "hey, we tried to be open but they still rejected us, so we are just going to go back to our walled garden."

[–] newcockroach@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Buddy i am here to avoid the lizardman and dont want him anywhere near me. Free software always has been an alternative to corprates and never a replacement. In the name of evangalic fediverse we should not give up our freedom. And above all this whill become like the trade agreement between Hati and the US.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As far as free software goes, how does running free software on your own server that you allow others to communicate with using established standard protocols violate your freedom? Not saying you shouldn’t be able to be selective about federation, but why would Facebook specifically being one of the peers violate your freedom?

[–] newcockroach@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I know that facebook will not rip you off your freedom just as windows wont stop you from removing or uing your computer. None the the less they will have significamt impact on the fediverse for good or bad and their influence might affect in someway we cannot predict.

[–] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

I mean, the last point is weird. They'd never say that, and do not care about the illusion of being open.

Point 1 is true.

Point 2, what makes you think federation will make millions of users want to move away, or even know folk are on another service. They'll probably censor the word lemmy and every lemmy address to avoid folk advertising away. The fediverse will just be filled with nonsense data and they'll pull the stuff that helps their platforms and keeps people hooked on the teet. Without that data, they may not be at critical mass to sustain Threads and it might eventually die. With that and Twitter going to pot, avoiding federation actually helps Mastodon as it provides a distinguishable separate entity that has reached critical mass and has significant good will with the user base that motivates them to keep sharing content.

[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yes, very misguided. I always loved the idea of browsing "All" and see all top brands with millions of engagement promoting their products

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I thought users could block instances now?

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.

So yes but not exactly. It's not as effective as you would think that an instance block would be if it doesn't block the users. That's not even addressing the fact that Lemmy's blocking isn't even really blocking it's more along the lines of muting, it's just named blocking.

[–] PropaGandalf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Doesn't defederating just mean they can see our content but won't see theirs? At least it was like this few months before. Now if this is true we would lock ourselves out of the discussion while they could still do anything they wan't with our content.

[–] sour@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

am get off old place without federation

when were you supposed to be responsible for others independent actions

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 2 years ago

That's the thing: actions from other users and from the key players are not "independent". It is a social network, actions and reactions depend on the context and the relationships of everyone involved.