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[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 191 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (106 children)

Dumb. Federation is how we escape from every cloud-based service being a dictatorship of the person who owns the platform. That includes federating with privately own orgs to provide them an exit.

By all means make good tools to allow individual users to block Threads (or other private instances ruled by amoral coporations), but doing it at instance level is just dumb.

edit: also, number of instances doesn't matter. Number of daily active users matters. Most users are on mastodon.social, mastodon.cloud, lemmy.world, hachyderm.io, lemmy.world, etc. And all of those are federating. The only large instance that is not federating with threads is mas.to

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Especially given that there was just an update allowing for individuals to block instances they don't like. Forcing this on the instance level is just nonsense, and exactly the sort of behavior most of us wanted to escape from. If I wanted my instance owner to just decide all of this random nonsense for me, I'd just go back to reddit. I'm glad my instance is leaving it up to me.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

You can block the instance, but the individual users can still be seen from that instance. You would still have to block each individual user, and that’s ridiculous.

edit: fyi, i'm discussing lemmy and how defederation here works. not sure how it works on mastodon.

[–] wagoner 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That doesn't sound correct. If it were, what would be the point of the block instance feature?

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's to block all posts from that instance, which I think is not enough.

[–] wagoner 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So it blocks all posts from that instance but not all users? What is the difference as I still see none of their users posts, which is the point isn't it? I'm genuinely not understanding.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can still see their comments, unlike when your instance defederates from their instance. For some people, the ability to completely block all interaction with an instance is important.

[–] wagoner 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We're talking Lemmy or Mastodon? Because I'm talking Mastodon.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

Ah, no wonder. Yes, I was talking about Lemmy, sorry.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

we're discussing lemmy. because we're on lemmy.

[–] wagoner 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, that explains all. There's a mixture of both being discussed, including in the top comment. No problem, thanks for clarifying.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks for asking. It’s better to know what page you’re on then to speculate wildly. Sorry for the confusion.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

exactly. it's pointless.

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