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This shows one of the things I don't like about Celsius: that 10C is a fairly comfortable 50F, but then suddenly you're at freezing only 10° lower.
Fahrenheit is just an easier scale for everyday temps. But I will admit that 32° is dumb as a freezing point.
I vehemently disagree with the common American trope that Celsius is good for science but that Fahrenheit would somehow be objectively better for everyday temperatures.
As a Celsius user, my experience is completely opposite to yours: 10C or 50F is starting to be quite cool already, bordering on cold, but you still have a whole 18 degrees F to go before freezing?! Why do you need so damn many subsivisions to describe that relatively small gap in temperature?
Mind you, I'm also not saying that Celsius is the superior everyday temperature scale (even though in my mind it obviously is). With temperature scales it's really about what you're used to more so than with most other kinds of measurements.
I'd argue that you would definitely feel a difference in those temps between them if you were used to scale that allowed for smaller variation. 52°F for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but I find at under 50°F the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each couple degrees.
It's like knowing whether I can run out the garbage real quick without bothering with a coat at a glance. I think it does a good job of helping convey a self learned length of time of comfort better in fahrenheit without having to remember decimals which many people are too dumb to use.
11°C for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but i find at under 10°C the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each degree.
...means pretty much the exact same thing.
Hmm touche.
you seem to have not noticed, even in Celsius/metric countries, people cooking immediately switch to Fahrenheit, in the same way carpenters immediately switch to standard. most thermostats are in Farenheit also, simply because the celsius degrees are much larger, and i absolutely can feel the difference between 69 and 70.
I'm not sure if you're joking here but I've literally never heard of anyone doing this. Not in my country, not even in any other.
To me this is like saying "do you know how Yanks switch to metric when they talk about kitten mitten measurements". Like lmao what
I'm Canadian. Everyone cooks and carpenters in Imperial. The British and Irish i know say the same, countries' metric but the trades aren't.
So your examples was about countries that use imperial/mixed system already and not really about metric countries?
The idea that someone in Finland would switch to Fahrenheit for cooking is just bizarre. Why would anyone do that lol
The UK and Ireland don't either. I dunno where they got that from. Our ovens and everything very obviously use Celsius.
Canada is a metric country. Don't be a dolt. Fahrenheit is more precise, smaller degrees.
Canada and the UK have switched from the imperial system to the metric system relatively recently, and as such it is understandable that the imperial system is still entrenched in some areas (such as possibly cooking).
Most metric countries have been metric for centuries and use metric for basically everything, and certainly don't randomly use Fahrenheit of all things.
If your idea about Metric countries is Canada or the UK, then you don't really have an idea.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12241565
They're not talking about actual measurements in imperial units but about things which have been named after their American labels, which happen to be based on imperial measurements. Like the thread you link says, the actual sizes are defined in millimeters.
Just because we also have Quarter Pounders in McDonalds doesn't mean we use imperial measurements.
They were indeed.
I'm starting to feel you don't really know what you're talkint about, sorry to say
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Canada
Lmao. Someone needs to learn about decimals. Absolutely nobody here uses Fahrenheit for cooking. You are being silly
Oh look, it says Canada is a metric country.
...for many purposes
Yeah. it's almost like I told you, the country officially switched. I also told you tradesmen and cooks switch back to imperial automatically. you're presenting this like it isn't exactly what i said to you. I was in the trades for years, all the foreigners that do the carpentry work in Vancouver do the exact same thing, Somali, French, Irish, Aussie, NZ, Mexican, Argentinian
You are talking about a country that switched recently and is still mixed because of that. It's obviously different to countries that have been metric for a lot longer. Nobody here is using fahrenheit for cooking, that'd be bizarre.
Out of curiosity, what is the benefit, in your mine, for someone in my country to use fahrenheit for cooking? It makes zero sense to me, unless it's somethint you're used to.
No shit people use the country's measurements. Do you think tradesmen in Finland use whatever imperial system uses? Of course they use metric since that's the done thing and everything is in metric
I wouldn't be surprised, everywhere else does. I really doubt you're a carpenter, inches and feet simply work better in that trade.
Lmao you have no clue of the world outside of Canada and the US.
Which is alright in itself, but you are so confidently incorrect that it pains me.
"I don't know what's natural, but I live in Finland where we use the metric / SI system extensively. Some people don't even know how long an inch is, let alone a foot. Recently I was building a roof with an old, very experienced builder. Turns out that on construction sites, nails and planks are always discussed in inches, even when they're actually metric. So a 60mm nail would be "a two point fiver" ("kakspuokki" or such in Finnish)." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12241565. You can shut the fuck up anytime
It's basically the names of them, you aren't actually measuring anything in inches whatever else you guys use. Like I said, no clue.
Nobody knows how long those measurements are. A fancy tape measurement might have inches on it but as far as anyone is concerned, it's just there to trip you up if you use the wrong side. It's like car speedometers.
Hey, don't be mad at me, nobody forced you to talk out of your ass. You chose to do that. Can't be mad when everyone calls you out on it.
I'm still not over how you think we use fahrenheit for cooking. Why would you think such a thing lol
Sorry dude, you've completely lost this argument. STFU
You seem quite angry even though you started this. Like I said, don't blame me, I'm innocent here.
No, you're wrong, you were being an ass. I proved it, be quiet.
Your argument is akin to thinking we prefer pounds in cooking because a hamburger is called a quarter pounder. We don't measure steaks in pounds, it's that hamburger's name.
I don't know any Fins, but yknow, I do know a lot of Estonians, was confidently correct I might have an idea for a reason. You just sound like you're backpedalling now.
You were confident you were correct but you weren't. Happens, but that's why this whole chain happened. You thought we measure in inches, we don't. For some things it's mm strictly (some design papers for example) and with some things it alternates depending on the scale since conversions are so piss easy in metric system. And of course can depend on scale. Some are measured in meters because big, some are mm because small. You thought we use fahrenheit in cooking, we don't. Your measurements just aren't something we use. I'm not saying they're necessarily worse for the same job (I just think that) but they're definitely not better and especially not in some way we'd prefer them to normal measurements.
Yeah so I already proved my point. Btw, the internet is just awash in French chefs casually using Farenheit like it's their native measure. Thanks though, you made me confirm what i thought prior.
Not sure what point you think you proved. You can even check here:
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahatavara
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattinki
All the measurements there are in mm. "Kakkosnelonen" is named so because it used to be "approx. two by four inches". It's measured in mm though, same as basically all planks and shit (see all the other planks on that page). There's also the official guidelines on how things are measured in building and what units to use, such as RT 02-11036. And of course at the actual job sites, people use mm, cm and meters.
You're trying hard to convince that in my field of work we use your measurements even though we just use normal measurements. So mostly mm, unless someone is sloppy an uses cm hah. Or when it's not as accurate, meters. Why you would think we would opt to use anything else, I don't know. Maybe you're just so familiar with them that you'd think we are too and we would like those measurements? No idea.
I'm intrigued by this. You're a French cook speaking French and they're just dropping measurements in Fahrenheit? That seems wild. Link some
Btw it still baffles me. Why would you think we'd use Fahrenheit in metric countries? Why would we in Finland use Fahrenheit for cooking (or for anything else)? It makes no sense to me.
E: I was thinking "hey, we measure shoe size in inches, don't we? He has got us there!" but turns out it's some French unit called "Paris point" that's 2/3cm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe_size#Continental_Europe
Yeah ill take what the actual carpenter said, over your bullshit.
You don't think the carpenters we have in our construction yards are actual carpenters??
It's a sourced citation about the "two by four". Or maybe you meant the guidelines. I know they sometimes suck but I wouldn't call them bullshit. A lot of them are made by experienced builders and construction people.
Also no links from you and you didn't even tell me why you'd think we'd prefer to use inches or fahrenheits. Disappointed. You insisting we do something we don't is kinda lost cause for you, but your argument on why you'd think someone would prefer inches to mm etc or especially fahrenheit to celsius might be interesting. And something you can actually argue.
You're so desperate I can't take you seriously, you're arguing completely irrelevant angles, countering points you yourself imagine I made.
Your argument against every actual sign about how we do things here and against someone who actually works in construction was that some rando online said something you misunderstood. Also, not a single argument about why we'd do this thing you think we do and no actual links to the multitude of videos you alluded to. And once I started posting links, you've arguments have curiously dried up. Just saying.
Some rando who told me exactly what I figured, based on knowing Estonian carpenters. You are so full of shit. Also, you're putting words in my mouth and asking questions long since answered.
"Some rando told me exactly what I wanted to hear (even though you misunderstood it tbh) so I've decided to trust the against all the contrary evidence."
This is what you're saying and yeah, we noticed.
Its just a bunch of bullshit from a fucking wanker never ran a saw
I have actually. Been on quite a few house construction sites and bigger projects too. Not that means anything to you, you've decided what you believe and literally no amount of evidence will change it. That sort of stubbornness is almost inspirational.
Britain and Ireland absolutely do not do that.
the fuck they don't
They absolutely do not. Do you want to see a picture of my oven with its °C units? I've worked in multiple kitchens and Fahrenheit has never been used there either. If you say a temperature in Fahrenheit, nobody will have a clue what you're on about. They'll look at you like you're an alien.
Go to buy timber and other building materials, it's sold in mm, cm, or m.
But what do I know, I've only lived here since the 80s. I'm sure some random American who almost certainly has never been knows better. That's sarcasm btw, I know you lot struggle to pick it up.
They probably do so because tech for that is either made for the US or made for the US.
Edit: to be clear, I mean Canada amd maybe other countries neighbouring the US. Makes no sense to make tech primarily for the US in Romania, for instance
how is "10" from "comfortable" to "freezing" vastly different from "18"?
Ok but we don't count by 10's. There are 9 more integers in between you can use.
Do you notice a big temperature difference between 68F and 70? That's one degree of C. Plenty of resolution.
And instead of saying "in the 50's", you can say "in the low 10's"