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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No, businessmen do business. Steve Jobs did business, he figured out markets, created markets based on what his business could provide. That's actual business.

A grifter, a con man, is not a business man, they wear the skin of one to fool people like yourself into buying into the con. Looks like it works.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Steve Jobs also conspired with his competitors to underpay their staff. Staff as in the people that helped him do business and make billions

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Right? At least Elon doesn't have to conspire to underpay his staff.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My evil, greedy and manipulative capitalist is better than your evil, greedy and manipulative capitalist!!!!

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My point is that one is a greedy, evil businessman. The other is a greedy, evil conman.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

But only if you draw a very careful line around definitions, what musk does is very standard capitalist business and what jobs did is very much the behaviour of a classic conman. Apples whole business strategy is straight out the carnival con artist playbook, you'll find all the same tricks at any market stall

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

created markets based on what his business could provide.

As much as I loathe musk, this is exactly what Starlink is. It's a company founded solely to buy the product SpaceX is making, because other people couldn't buy enough.

Of course, Starlink is floating almost entirely on venture capital, but that's how Amazon got started too.