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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

Why do you need belt and road if you plan to be usa satellite.

Ukraine war fucked up belt and road grand plan of linking europe to china through land shrug-outta-hecks

The current western libs plan is to shoot everyone on border, make india new exploitation node, and start preparing africa to be the next superexploitation central.

P.s. I should note that against that idea is china being a massive buyer of euroshit themselves, and india being a peasant country cause they didn't do socialism, and so the pain of industrialization is yet to come

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Why do you need belt and road if you plan to be usa satellite.

They'd be way out on the end of it, so... not a huge loss. I'd be far more concerned if Turkey or Egypt pulled out, as they are central to transportation in the region.

I imagine this is easy to do for a government with very little stake in long-term infrastructure development and a need to score a few quick points among the reactionary "How dare all these Chinese ex-pats move into my neighborhood!" landlord wing of the current governing coalition. But in another five or ten years, they'll be out and a new pro-growth government is going to find BRI more attractive. China will still be rolling out new connections then, and Italians will only have missed out on being early adopters.

The current western libs plan is to shoot everyone on border, make india new exploitation node, and start preparing africa to be the next superexploitation central.

That's certainly the plan. But its becoming increasingly difficult to exploit regions of the globe that are catching up industrially. That's the core threat of the BRICS coalition. The NATO states are running out of cheap labor to buy and rich countries into which they can sell. And efforts to threaten BRICS states only force them closer together, as evidenced by the Ukraine War being the last nail in the coffin for a Sino-Soviet split.

If the American dollar keeps slipping as global reserve currency, its not clear why BRICS states will even need to trade with the western bloc at all. And as countries like Brazil, India, and South Africa pull away from the imperial core, they're going to drag a lot of their neighbors along with them.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If the American dollar keeps slipping as global reserve currency, its not clear why BRICS states will even need to trade with the western bloc at all

The west still exports a ton of technology and the US controls them which is why China had to smuggle and develop their own chip technology. Obviously China can become the new chip leader, but it's unlikely that they'll be able to be completely self sufficient to the point that no one relies on the west.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The west still exports a ton of technology

Even that has been changing. The US hasn't been a net-exporter of processing chips since COVID struck. China is approaching parity with the US (assuming they haven't eclipsed us already) and India isn't far behind. California's position as a tech hub is being eclipsed by its roll in FIRE, which makes sense because that's where all the money's at. The US simply does not reward technological innovation. We outsource that shit.

it's unlikely that they'll be able to be completely self sufficient to the point that no one relies on the west.

It is the western states that are ultimately unable to be self-sufficient. That's why the US is so panicked over Taiwan. Their semiconductor industry is the lynchpin of our tech sector. We can't even make cars when Taiwan Semiconductor misses its production quotas.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The US is not exporting chips, but it controls European countries that export chip technology (manufacturing and embedded parts). They prevented Scandinavian countries (forget which ones) from sending them to China, hence the shock of the breakthrough with their phones a couple months back

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

it controls European countries that export chip technology

Sure. Because outsourcing is cheaper. But that's also what creates the risk of losing your satraps.

They prevented Scandinavian countries (forget which ones) from sending them to China, hence the shock of the breakthrough with their phones a couple months back

And the Ukraine-Russia war was a big win for NATO in so far as it tightened control over the Scandinavian states. But due to their physical proximity to Russia and their reliance on cheap raw material imports (which the Russians have in droves, but the Southern/Western Europeans don't), this is still a relatively precarious situation. Had the US simply maintained/developed their domestic chip markets, they wouldn't be freaking out every time a war threatens to erupt in the periphery.

I would say that the US firms is far more exposed to the threat of shortages and supply disruptions to critical tech infrastructure than their Chinese (and South Korean) peers.

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