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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Timberknave@hexbear.net to c/memes@hexbear.net
 

EDIT: Okay, it was a bit silly of me to drag my heels in, I don't strictly hate it and there are good things about British cooking (mostly veggies), but I find the meme's meat obsession super silly. I am having stomach pains and cramped arteries just looking at this stuff.

Highly underratedI love how it's superimposed on the diapers lmao, I hope the meme was ironic

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean, you shouldn't want to be American in the same way you shouldn't want to be Israeli. Pretty much every single Black radical like Malcolm X reject being American, so I'm not saying anything particularly new. There's that famous speech by a Hawaiian activist titled "We are not Americans." Modern Pan-African orgs and Indigenous communities also reject the label American as well as the settler-colonial borders of the US and Canada. There's plenty of Indigenous tribal nations and communities that have their ancestral lands separated into a US Native American half and a Canadian First Nations half, but they still understand themselves as one people because unlike the two illegitimate settler-colonies, they constitute a real nation.

The only real reason why you don't hear this rhetoric among the various diasporas is because most diaspora communities function as a buffer zone between white settlers at the top and the Black and Indigenous at the bottom. There's a degree of assimilation/gusanofication among the diasporas too, but for the nonwhite diasporas at least, white settlers are too pathologically racist for them to be fully integrated into whiteness and the settler-colonial order. Just like how the US-Canadian border is largely a legal matter among Indigenous nations, whether your nationality is American or Canadian is largely a legal matter among the diasporas.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Perfectly fine by me if anyone doesn't want to identify as American. But plenty of people do, and who are you to tell them they aren't?

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How do you square this with the fact that the US is a settler-colony that must be dismantled? With the dismantlement of the US, they wouldn't be Americans because there wouldn't be an America to identify as.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is, unfortunately, a very distant prospect and doesn't really have any bearing on what I'm talking about

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am simply asking a question. You are free to answer it or ignore it. How do you square people self-identifying as Americans with the fact that the US is a settler-colony that must be dismantled?

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those are two things that are already currently true, so I really don't see how they need to be squared

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because people who self-identify as X are not going to do anything that would destroy X because that would destroy their sense of identity. If anything, they will fight hard to preserve X even if X ought to be destroyed.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When I talk about destroying America, it's usually about the unspeakable cruelty not about the food

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Who said anything about food? We haven't been talking about food for the past 8+ comments.

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