It's the dunk tank.
This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.
Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.
Rule 2: If your source is a reactionary website, please use archive.is instead of linking directly.
Rule 3: No sectarianism.
Rule 4: TERF/SWERFs Not Welcome
Rule 5: No ableism of any kind (that includes stuff like libt*rd)
Rule 6: Do not post fellow hexbears.
Rule 7: Do not individually target other instances' admins or moderators.
Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views. Comments/Posts made on other instances that are accessible from hexbear are an exception to this. Posts that do not meet this requirement can be posted to !shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml
Rule 9: if you post ironic rage bait im going to make a personal visit to your house to make sure you never make this mistake again
America is genocidal, sure, but so is every single other society in the history of civilization. America is exceptional because of the technology and the art it contributed to genocide, which is the goal of every civiliztion, remember. Pointing out the difference in scale of US atrocities just prevents us working together for greater justice.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/6343679 https://hexbear.net/comment/4329347
Genocide trivialization is a common refrain of fascist discourse, the point of course is to normalize mass slaughter and paint it as an unavoidable feature of human society, while erasing the sociopolitical uniqueness of every genocide....."it happens all the time its not a big deal, and if it happens again big whoop survival of the fittest"
The a-historical insistence that EVERY "civilization" has committed genocide is another tactic of fascist rhetoric. That attempts to obscure the fact that it's actaully STATES with a specific class character and political project that committ genocide, while merging the idea of states and civilization as being coterminous with each other and that they can't be distinguished...... "we're all guilty thru out time and space so it would be hypocritical and traitorious to oppose genocide committed by one's own civilization"
That form of rhetoric also tries to simultaneously collapse the concept of continuity.... "it happened so long ago get over it" while also incoherently extending historical continuity past its breaking point..... "oh so you condemn the genocide of native Americans, well what about the genocide carried out by the Mongols hmmm"
Basically fascists are ghouls and historically illiterate freaks
This. Fucking this is why I called out the comment to begin with. I don't have the theoretical background to truly explain why this horrible sentiment is so insidious. Why it's so disgusting and weasely. Thank you comrade, for putting to words all those things I found so despicable about the original comment but couldn't articulate myself.
Wouldn’t it be fair to actually get the quote right.
I’ve read the work of your theorists here and not one has mentioned a civilization that never made the kinds of disgusting, vile, and despicable mistakes that the US made/makes.
If they have, sorry I missed that, so please enlighten me.
Also — get the quote right?
You said you're American and are aware that this country was built on genocide. Then you said every major civilization has committed genocide (equivocating, but that's beside the point of my question). What genocides have India and China committed?
Follow-on question, what genocides were Indian and Chinese civilizations built on? What about Persian civilization?
The Naga-Kuki war (1660-1948) The Maratha-Mughal wars (1680-1707)
China’s history is filled with Dynastic tyranny— each associated with brutal, repressive military conflicts.
Not sure where you are heading with that.
Like I said, collapsing historical continuity past the point of logical coherence
Also blatantly ignoring the fact Chinese and Indian civilization were not built on the basis of those wars and the fact the states that prosecuted those wars no longer exist
The US state on the otherhand maintains a legal and poltical continuity all the way back to 1776 and continues to inflict atrocities based on the sociopolitical economic logic of its founding
Also I love how you obviously just googled random wars from Indian and Chinese history as if that means something, kid log off and go do your homework
And you seem perfectly willing to completely disregard those wars, oppression, and tyranny because it doesn’t service the narrative that… what? That no country has ever been as horrible as the United States? Really?
How should one regard a 400 year old war perpetrated by a state that no longer exists for a poltical tradition no one alive follows?
The only reason you bring up this irrelevant nonsense is because you want to trivialize and downplay the very recent and extremely relevant crimes of the US empire which currently dominates the world
It's such a childish and disingenuous argument, but hey I don't expect honesty or historical literacy from brain dead fascists
Well, perhaps I’ve lost the thread.
Convince me.
Please restate your specific claim? It can’t be simply that you are the superior scholar, right? So go ahead — state it?
Some could find a few hundred "superior scholars" relative to you at a given middle school.
You misunderstand, when someone keeps flailing long after they make it clear they have nothing useful to say, there's not much of a "debate" worth having with them.
Ad hom is if I said "you are stupid, therefore your argument is wrong". Like all genuine fallacies, it is an incorrect inference. I am not making this claim, I am simply saying "you are stupid". Your arguments are paper-thin (like your accusation of me doing an ad hom), so those can be addressed as needed, but my goal there was simply to inform you that you're a moron.
Facile and flaccid.
That's not what facile means, dipshit
It’s exactly what I meant: your thinking here is of the very lowest effort — it’s primarily concerned with name calling.
And the flaccid is a reference to your lack of substance.
Keep trying. I’m starting to get the hang of the insult club.
Is this how you see your contributions to this thread? You're a person coming in here "ask[ing] for specific claims, reasons, and evidence"?