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edit: looked into it a bit and it seems genuine ngl

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[–] Plibbert@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah, he also was a subject of mk ultra experiments iirc. So I wouldn't exactly be trying to make any points with that.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In essence he was subjected to traditional interrogation tactics, he was never dosed with any hallucinogens or other drugs, the actual experiment he was part of was that he had to write an essay on his ideological convictions under the false premise that he was going to debate other students, then instead in regular sessions a guy came in and ruthlessly mocked and belittled every aspect of the essay.

He himself dismissed the alleged effects of this and I'd be inclined to agree that I think the main effect of it would just be radicalizing his already held views and positions.

[–] Plibbert@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's true there were no drugs involved, that he knows of. But I don't think you give enough credit to the effects of the experiment. If you read the details of the experiment it's not too far fetched to argue that it didn't just enhance extreme beliefs, but manifested them.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

Tbh I am HIGHLY pessimistic towards any MKULTRA shit just because of how much annoying dumb bullshit conspiracy shit has spawned from it, but yeah that is also a pretty plausible possibility that it could totally fuck him up like that since the people running all this shit didnt give a fuck if it ruined people.