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A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.
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this post was submitted on 04 Dec 2023
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When does this brinkmanship dilemma stop occurring? How long are dems gonna get a blank check to spit in our faces because republicans are a looming threat? Is MAGA gonna be gone in 2028? 2032? When is the income gap gonna stop accelerating? Or emissions? When are houses gonna be affordable, or education? What about the situation is supposed to improve if dems win 2028?
Voting for local elections is more important than president. Some flavor of socialist could win a local election. You are fooling yourself if you think a socialist could win presidency in the upcoming election.
Also why should Democrats care about someone that doesn't vote? What you want them to lose 2 votes for you...continuing to not vote?
Who said anything about not voting?
Voting records? I don't know you, you don't know me. Great 😃👍 most people don't vote. You play football, you're going to get concussed. You involve yourself with politics, you're going to have to come to terms with people doing things you don't want done. You're the only you. Other people close to you won't have 100% the same politics. Waiting till you clone yourself will solve nothing.
If you want to make the changes that you want you'll need to get people who don't vote to vote. If all that happens is they vote during the presidency and know nothing about anyone else, then they are probably going to at best vote down ballot. Dems are better than Republicans. If my only choice is between Dems and Republicans, I'm going to vote Democrat. There was an election recently that I voted in. The only vote that was happening was for mayor. It was between Dems and Republican. There is no alternative.
Winging about how much the Dems suck is going to motivate no one. People aren't even going to get angry enough at the Dems when you say they suck to do anything. They're not going to protest, they're not going to vote, they're not going to get involved. You are at best wasting your breath when you say the sky is blue.
Argue for mandated voting. Argue for something different than first past the post. Argue for a politician. Hell, argue for a fascist takeover so debate bros can "dunk" on you, they're at least doing more that what you've put here.
The things you complain about will keep happening until you DO something. Argue about doing something.
It sounds like this rambling doesnt involve me.
im voting for someone that supports ranked choice.
Which would be who? For what position?
If the answer is "no one" then why should any elected person care about you?
Why should they care if they can safely take your vote for granted no matter what they do?
Have you ever voted in a primary? That's where decisions are made. Once you get to the "actual" election, then no there are no real choices.
Of course I vote in the primaries.
It's where I get to see party leadership most directly oppose progressives.
Gloat harder.
Of course it's where Dems will most oppose anyone you like. After primaries it's Dems versus Republicans. It's wild you'd think it would be different.
Gloat would imply I'm happy about the current arrangement. There was a scientist in antarctica who had to perform surgery on himself. Do you think he was gloating before the surgery finished? No, the political environment sucks right now. I want it changed, because if it keeps trending the way it does right now, I'll be killed. Doing nothing isn't a solution to my problems.
That's exactly what I'm implying.
Why do you think I'm happy about the current situation?
probly Jill Stein. Unless someone better that also supports ranked choice or proportional representation shows up.
I'm not saying biden has a better aggregate stance. I am saying you have a chance in a liberal government. But you don't in a conservative one.
You're spinning your wheels, and you're going to go nowhere. Making people only pay attention to president is one of the best psyops
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(no evidence, it's just funnier to believe)I seriously thought you had a local candidate who was going to push for that. There have been several local elections where they had ran on and implemented something besides first past the post system.
If you want change in a system this big there are only 2 routes. Slow and voting local so your party gains steam, or violence. I'm not going to advocate for violence.
What do you think the outcome of voting for her is going to be.
Its a bit of a cart before the horse thing. As fundamental as policy positions on things like economics, healthcare, education etc are, how the government is run and elected has to come first if you want any of that to happen. Like you can promote the most die hard environmentalist candidate, but because our system has lobbying and corporate financed elections, that poisons your efforts from the outset. You have to get rid of the lobbying first. I think our FPTP 2 party system is something that poisons any efforts on any political issue. Like i said id love to support someone with better political stances and voting reform, but i have to support voting reform first. And anyone that wants to outlaw lobbying too.
I agree, that's what I've been saying...but if you want a better democracy you need to maintain the democracy. Biden losing means a risk of losing that democracy status. In this instance I'm not voting for Biden, as much as I'm voting against a dictator.
I am saying voting 3rd party is better than not voting at all. I'm also saying keeping USA sliding away from democracy is more important.
LOL, she's running as Green Party again. If you vote for Stein in the general, that's basically a vote for Republicans.
No its a vote for green party, and for ranked choice voting
You get downvoted for actually expecting something from your vote. I’m sorry some 1/100000000 chance of a president becoming a dictator isn’t going to make me want to vote for someone who doesn’t want to fix economic problems for the middle class. Do better and winning the presidency would be a cakewalk do the bare minimum and possibly lose to Donald Trump.
Democrats would rather lose and have someone to blame than try to win voters over.