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Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 208 points 2 years ago (6 children)

To everyone cracking jokes about a gay uprising, it's a lot simpler than any of that.

They just want to exterminate the gays. Like literally. They want to find that portion of the population and destroy it, because they think it's disgusting and evil.

That's it. Putin and the Russian conservatives are going after gays because it's an easy win with their conservative base, and they can claim moral superiority. Also distracts from Ukraine.

If you are gay in Russia... Its a very bad time to be gay in Russia.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

This is just standard fascism. They need a constant stream of enemies weak enough that they can't defend themselves. Whom they can paint as responsible for all a societies woes.

Fascism 101. We see Republicans employing that heavily here in the United States.

[–] lattenwald@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They need a new enemy every now and then. If the current enemy happens to be exterminated, they'll need one sooner, but they'll need a new one anyways.

[–] Adramis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

The convenient thing about the LGBTQ+ community though is that we can pop up anywhere, at any time. The perpetual boogieman.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its a very bad time to be gay in Russia.

I don’t think not being gay changes much in this statement

[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, they are literally mounting campaigns targeting gays now. Maybe it sucks for both but it sucks especially hard for gay people in Russia at the moment.

E.g. Maybe it sucks to live in Mordor. But as a Goblin instead of as an Orc, maybe it sucks especially hard when Sauron starts the "let's purge the Goblins" campaign led by the Orcs.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, I know, the article speaks for itself. It was more of a joke about how it’s “a very bad time to be in Russia, period”.

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

American "conservatives" are over here drooling at the possibilities.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Florida here checking in.

Our government is hard at work on this.

Check out this pending bill up for vote during the next session: https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/599/billtext/filed/pdf https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/599/billtext/filed/pdf

Essentially it makes it illegal to be transgender and have a job in government or government adjacent.

Here is an excert: It is the policy of the state that a person's sex is an immutable biological trait and that it is false to ascribe to a person a pronoun that does not correspond to such person's sex. This section does not apply to individuals born with a genetically or biochemically verifiable disorder of sex development, including, but not limited to, XX disorder of sex development; XY disorder of sex development; sex chromosome disorder of sex development; XX or XY sex reversal; and ovotesticular disorder.

An employee or a contractor may not be required, as a condition of employment, to refer to another person using that person's preferred personal title or pronouns if such personal title or pronouns do not correspond to that person's sex.
An employee or a contractor may not provide to an employer his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.
An employee or a contractor may not be asked by an employer to provide his or her preferred personal title or pronouns or be penalized or subjected to adverse personnel action for not providing his or her preferred personal title or pronouns.

It continues on about not being able to fire people for thinking being gay is a sin and so on, but I don't want this to be a novel.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Well, if gay people weren't sabotaging electric substations, mass murdering innocent people and attempting to overthrow our government...., oh, wait!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and the Russian conservatives

The Russian conservatives include plenty of gay people. Obviously hypocritical, but I wouldn't expect them to support actual extermination.

The reason such actions happen is to show the average ignorant citizen (as Putin & co imagine that) that what said person wants is being delivered. Of course the average ignorant citizen doesn't care about hurting LGBTQ people (at worst cares about hurting anyone happier than him, but still with no specifics). They just have a skewed picture of what that average citizen is, some drunk guided (in their imagination) by Russian prison culture only interested in having a better car.

Ah, also Putin & co are not conservatives. They in general have no consistent ideology to speak of. Take anyone important - they've been with "democrats pushing for reform" in the last years of the USSR, then "democrats fighting the Communist beast" in Yeltsin's early years, then "centrists trying to prevent the integrity of the federation" in his late years, then with Putin "law against terrorism", then "law against neo-Nazis", then "economic stability unlike the bad-bad 90s", and so on. At some point they got lazy and the facades became less consistent and memorable.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Russian conservatives include plenty of gay people. Obviously hypocritical

Example: Milonov

They in general have no consistent ideology to speak of.

For those who don't know difference between totalitarism and authoritarism, this is the differece.

Take anyone important - they've been with "democrats pushing for reform" in the last years of the USSR, then "democrats fighting the Communist beast" in Yeltsin's early years, then "centrists trying to prevent the integrity of the federation" in his late years, then with Putin "law against terrorism", then "law against neo-Nazis", then "economic stability unlike the bad-bad 90s", and so on. At some point they got lazy and the facades became less consistent and memorable.

CORRECT

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, it appears that some people not from Russia or its neighborhood are so unwilling to change their simple and wrong picture of what happens there, that they even care to downvote a comment simply pointing out that Putin, Shoigu, Patrushev, others have in various roles been near the top for all of the last 30 years, and then simply listing the main state "ideology" lines in Russia in the last 30 years, with no political position taken.

Or maybe it's my bad English in that comment, I meant "preserve the integrity", of course =\

[–] uis@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Or maybe it's my bad English in that comment

Happens to me too.

Anyway, if it was on mastodon, I would say you are downvoted because your comment contradicts their General Party Line, but mastodon instances can't downvote, so no idea.