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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're the tools in this, not just bystanders. Unless you're talking about those going to fill up their car in Russia or something, but I don't think that's a huge concern.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A human tool is still a human, instead of an object. The only principle in this whole bread and circus is that no harm is caused to other beings who are not responsible.

So we're left to observe if we're under a ruling class which fucks that up

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A human tool is still a human, instead of an object.

I was replying to you calling them bystanders.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just seemed like a strange point consider I don't think their status as humans was in doubt. Just whether we should stop Russian action or not.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a direction the current cabinet might be inching towards. Manufactured consent

On a larger level this won't stop whatever the next step of escalation will be and I'm not guaranteed Finland has enough planned with the EU to figure this shit out fast.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure where it is escalating after the border is closed.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We'll see some sort of "bullying" as Niinistö phrased

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And we'll deal with that bullying too when we come to it. Giving into it isn't a great option.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe we need someone else dealing with that in the future.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd hope everyone else would be as determined to shut the bullying down. It's not like there's many other ways to deal with Russia.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe we just saw the most Russia-minded response we have available

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Nothing more Russia-minded than wanting to shut down Russia's attempts at bullying us.