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It's cute that you think I'm only talking about Americans. So American it's not even funny anymore. I made that range to be inclusive of non-American PTO averages
Also what's the point of spitting out all these statistics and facts that the wealthiest are the ones that travel the most. I know that. That's my point. Companies aren't going to introduce commercial ships because the wealthiest people are the huge majority of their revenue and the gain to be made by having ships is negligible
I also never suggested it'd disrupt the leisure habit of anybody. Why would that even happen? You're literally making enemies up in your head
I'm not going to bat for heavy overseas travellers bruh. I have no idea what you're upset about. I don't disagree with what you said. It's just irrelevant
My point is that trans oceanic jetliner travel is unsustainable full stop. It's quite literally bourgeoisie decadence that is destroying the livability of our planet for everyone else. Did you not even read the article we are commenting on?
It has to be ended and something will have to replace it. It's going to have to be a return to ocean liners making direct trips and electric prop planes island hopping PanAmerica style, both of which make the trip take days rather than mere hours. Airships are possible but they have a unreliably due to being at the mercy of weather and wind conditions combined with helium being an extremely finite resource (already running out, exponential price increase) that is not renewable.
Your insinuation that trans oceanic jetliners can't be gotten rid of because working class people not having the paid time off is what I found ridiculous. Felt like New York Times Opinion section peices arguing why the author needs their decadent treats and acting like said treats are a common thing rather than luxury. Your use of words like "inclusive" in the follow up was icing on the cake.
Your words not mine:
Then following up:
Not sure why you used paid time off (PTO) as the core reason for why jetliners from New York to London can't be replaced if you actually meant business travelers whose companies can't afford the time. Make up your mind.
Honestly these discussions make me realize how fkd we are, that it's going to come to a lot of bloodshed as the PMC and their masters do everything in their power to avoid giving up their treats.
you know I think you probably could do hydrogen airships with modern safety standards. It's flammable and "leakier" than helium but planes and cars are also full of flammable and/or explosive fuel and we manage that part well enough
I agree with you. It's just you commented "I'm confused why don't these companies do ..." and I explained they would never because it wouldn't be profitable for them
Like yea, what you said should and could be done if these airliners weren't all beholden to the profit motive but your wording make it seem like you're confused why companies wouldn't do this clearly unprofitable thing in a world where most airliners only exist to make money