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Pope Francis has decided to punish one of his highest-ranking critics, Cardinal Raymond Burke, by revoking his right to a subsidized Vatican apartment and salary in the second such radical action against a conservative American prelate this month, according to two people briefed on the measures.

Francis told a meeting of the heads of Vatican offices last week that he was moving against Burke because he was a source of “disunity” in the church, said one of the participants at the Nov. 20 meeting. The participant spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to reveal the contents of the encounter.

Francis said he was removing Burke’s privileges of having a subsidized Vatican apartment and salary as a retired cardinal because he was using the privileges against the church, said another person who was subsequently briefed on the pope’s measures. That person also spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to reveal the details.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 86 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a schism at some point. American Catholicism is being influenced greatly by evangelical Christianity and the political project that exists around that.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can’t wait to use the word “antipope” in a modern context.

[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Oh oh…better yet how about the Dark Pope

Or the Anti-Pope. 😈

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They'll make their own Catholicism with blackjack and hookers!

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Except evangelicals aren't allowed to have fun.

[–] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Well, neither are Catholics, so that works out.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, now that’s not quite right. The straight white Christian-nationalistic male evangelicals are allowed to have fun. It’s just that their definition of “fun” doesn’t really match everyone else’s definition.

Read into that what you will.

[–] pohart@programming.dev 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The American catholics who i know love Francis and think it's taken too long to get him. Anecdotal, but I think the Dallas based church would have difficulty convincing local parishes that the Catholic pope is now misinformed and the new bigot really speaks for God

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone who went to a Catholic school in Dallas, I don't share your optimism. I hope you're right, though.

[–] pohart@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

I don't doubt he'll get churches in his old diocese, I'm doubtful that it'll have far reaching consequences, though.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think you’re vastly underestimating how much the Nationalist Christian demographic gets pumped up by their hour of hate. They’ve got a persecution fetish.

[–] Volkditty@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A handful of relatives at Thanksgiving wanted to have a conversation/diatribe about what the pope was doing wrong but hey look, I'm gonna go stand over here instead.

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

So Catholics with a basic and fundamental misunderstanding of how the church functions and the power of their head of church. Such great Catholics

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago

Once, it was Rome and Avignon. Will it be Vatican and Dallas now?

There are actually schismatic churches right now. Mel Gibson and his father are members. Iirc they left because of Vatican II, and JP2 was too liberal for them. Mel apparently has a chapel on his property and a priest of that sect says the Latin Mass there.

I think I read about it when he said that anti-Semitic stuff after getting pulled over.