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Trump, Who Destroyed Roe, Thinks He Can Run As an Abortion 'Moderate' in 2024
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Don't underestimate him.
He beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician against all odds once and he'll do it again. People have short memories, and won't remember the worst of his tenure
Let me fix that for you:
Due to the corruption of the Electoral College and even though he lost the popular vote, Trump beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician.
ETA: Enough with the "well golly gee dontcha know that is how it works in the US" as if that justifies it. Let's accept it for what it was: a way for slave owners to have greater influence than their state's population otherwise allowed.
Yes, correct, he won the election.
You do realize that how you win an election in the USA, right?
You do also realize that the #fascist #GOP is never going to try to change a system where they have an inherent advantage, right?
It's how you win a process that's commonly referred to as an election.
Weird distinction, as none of those rules that resulted in Trump winning have changed.
Not at all because those are the rules that need to change.
And yet, have zero bearing on this upcoming election, because it's certainly not going to change in the next year. I.E., his "correction" in the context of the original comment is useless.
Biden isn't Clinton. If you hadn't got the news yet, Biden already beat Trump once. No one that voted for Biden in 2020 is voting for Trump in 2024. Biden has to worry about his voters staying home and Trump is the candidate most likely to drive people to vote against him by far.
I would worry about Haley or Christie beating Biden before Trump. The only x factor is that Biden or Trump or both of them could croak in the next year.
My concern is for much more apathy this time around. Between the economy, his age, and his one sided handling of the complex Palestine Israel tragedy, I'm really dreading the outcome already.
I'll vote for Biden again, especially against Trump, but he will never be exciting for me. If Trump continues to lay low during Republican events and doesn't get convicted of some felonies, I could definitely see a scenario where Biden doesn't get the votes and we all stand around mouth agape asking how it happened again.
I'd worry more about Desantis. He might have the charisma of used bubblegum, but there's an awful lot of people who like what's he's selling.
He has not ever done this.
In fact, since his 2016 fluke, his brand has been toxic and his candidates have consistently lost (as has he)
Hillary was all of those things what do you even mean??
She was not a "career politician" if you want that word to have any meaning. She was a civilian until like '98.
She also wasn't elderly or uninspiring.
she was a but uninspiring tbh that's why she lost nobody wanted to pokemon go to the polls for her
Maybe among the young and disconnected. The reason she lost in reality is that she was painted as a "corrupt politician" and tied to the Benghazi nothingburger while her opponent ran on populist anti-politician rhetoric
The masses are dumb and fell for it.
The revolving door is a thing she was married to President..hmm what was his name I'm forgetting it, maybe it will come to me. Oh that's right Bill! That's his name! To say she's not a career politician after being in or around politics her entire adult life is down right disingenuous. She represents the dem establishment there's no question of that, but I'm sure you will enlighten me as to how I'm wrong. 🙄
It's less that you're personally wrong and more that your entire belief system here was built by Republican strategists and you are too uninformed to recognize it.
I voted for Hillary in the general I didn't fall for anything, but I can still recognise her flaws and want something better than the two options we're spoon fed every election.
Lol "I voted for her but I still believe everything the Republicans said about her"
That's.. I mean at least you're useful.
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Why are you being this way lol?
I was there for the election too. I remember what people said and felt. That absolutely was not Republican strategists.
Republicans framed her as corrupt sure but she was genuinely uninspiring and represented the establishment. The public has distrust for her and Trump represented something new, he wasn't the white bread Christian candidate the Republicans always pushed.
She lost because candidates like Sanders and Stein were what people wanted, they had ideas to offer and she was a continuation of what people felt we had.
You're explaining my own points back to me.
Sanders was not what people wanted or they'd have voted for him
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Unironically exactly how I am IRL
Lol except you're arguing with everything I said here in other comments but sure.
I literally said Hillary was uninspiring and you say "nuh-uh"
Now you say Sanders isn't what people wanted but it absolutely was lol
If Hillary was uninspiring, it's unlikely she'd have won the popular vote by roughly 3 million votes - the same amount she beat Sanders by in a much smaller pool of voters
She may not have inspired you, but that's irrelevant
Lol no she was uninspiring.
You're being so disingenuous I'm wondering if you were even around during this time.
"Bernie Bros" was the DNC attempt to push people into Hillary. She shot herself in the foot several times over making people uninterested in voting for her or unsure in her leadership. The fainting, the Benghazi bullshit, the pokemon go to the polls, Clinton tie. Nobody wanted her.
The election you are talking about was between her and Trump so how does Bernie even factor into that? He doesn't. Silly.
What you should really pay attention to is the political climate. Not one single voter today wants Hillary that's why she doesn't run, she's done. Nobody would vote for her. People still want Bernie and the things he calls for.
You are outside your mind trying to tell anyone people wanted Hillary they literally didn't. Go look at how well the Green party did that election. Go find the articles calling for Sanders to switch to green party, go look at how much Jill Stein was blamed for Hillary's loss.
You're clueless buddy.
You said Sanders would have won, but he didn't even win with Democrats /shrug.
I wanted Hillary lol. She's my favorite politician of all time, and probably will be until Butti peaks.
I understand you disagree, but you're one person and numbers don't lie
Nah never said that lmfao
Sanders had vision and understood what Americans want. Clinton is a fuckin neolib shill scum and people saw through it. lukewarm tepid fuckin trash politics with no goal but status quo and her own pay outs.
By the way your favorite politicians scumbag friend died.
Most Americans disagree with you.
apparently not
Clinton literally won a majority of votes.
holy fuck lmfao
the DNC shoved her in, hence why bernie didn't abdicate which is odd and not something typically done because he knew it was trash.
then she lost to Trump.
so what the fuck are you talking about? she was a "not trump" vote and the DNC forced her win in the primaries.
if she really had a chance she'd run again, she isn't because she won't win because nobody wants her lmfao
She won by 3 million votes.
No she didn't? You're delusional.
It is like talking to an actual retard lmfao
Bernie won every state Clinton would go on to lose. It is known the DNC ran everything past her campaign during primaries. I have no idea where you get this 3 million number but it's a lie you're the only one buying.
Nobody wanted Clinton, she was carried by the DNC and every state she lost to Trump Bernie bested her in, literally most swing states. The proof is there babe you're arguing with yourself and you know it lol
Bernie lost to Clinton. Full stop. Bernie couldn't even get a plurality of votes in the primary.
Bernie was dead in the water period.
He woulda beat Trump though would've won the states Clinton lost because she was uninspiring hence Jill Stein's great showing as a third party, even Rand Paul did well.
You weren't there though you literally don't know lmfao and now her career is over, why? because nobody likes her
I was literally there
yet don't know what you're talking about lol
Yes he did, Thats why he was president for 4 years...
keep up