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[โ€“] pedz@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Cars. They are everywhere and are like cigarettes. Addictive, bad for our environment and bad for ourselves.

And we even try to keep using them as long as possible by switching to an electric version, just like cigarettes. "But it's electric, it can't be that bad!"

Humanity is not running to its doom, it's taking a car.

[โ€“] PlexSheep@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago

As a person that hates cars, I still have to disagree. For transportation of goods (like building materials) and in remote areas, they are sometimes the only efficient form of transport.

Obviously: fuck cars.

[โ€“] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Change "cars" to "personal vehicle" and you've got a winner. We still want delivery drivers and taxis and such. What we want to do is avoid the use of a car when it's unnecessary, and that really leaves those who practice a trade/service and need to transport their tools. Heck, most could probably use a cargo bike.

[โ€“] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

What would you use in place of cars?

Obviously just outlawing cars tomorrow would cause mass deaths around the world as society isn't equipped to deal with it, so what could we transition to?

My assumption is that you'd suggest public transport for all? But that wouldn't save us, as only about 1/4 of transport emissions come from cars, it'd just make us die a little slower.

Edit: if the next 5 people to downvote this could leave a reply it'd be appreciated. I try my best to do my bit for the environment but I depend on my car to participate in my local community given, and so I'd like to know what the ideal solution is? What should I be asking my representative to be voting for?

[โ€“] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LOL nobody said that tomorrow they would be outlawed. People are saying that we can undo the damage that was caused by 70 years of Boomers and their parents who destroyed the world in the name of the open road and "freedom". It was an aberration and we'll be returning back to how things were prior.

[โ€“] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

My comment wasn't meant to suggest someone was making that argument - I was just setting the premise for my question.

I dont know why my genuine curiosity has triggered so many people...I was hoping for some rational suggestions that I could incorporate into my lifestyle.

As for going back to what it was like 70 years ago....I find it unlikely. There are a lot more people on the planet than there were back then and prosperity is broadly increasing...in reality we'll transition to more sustainable and healthy living which I think entails better urban planning and greater government action on pollution.

[โ€“] deur@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Saying it isnt worth up to a 25% reduction is a stupid argument in general.

Lets also not forget about all the money and resources spent on cars and their infrastructure.

Up to a 25% reduction in emissions at minimum is enough to be worthy of action.

[โ€“] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Read more carefully. They didn't say 25% of all emissions.

[โ€“] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you. The reading comprehension on this thread has been worrying...

[โ€“] el_abuelo@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

That's not what I said, it isn't 25% of all emissions, and I didn't say it wasn't worth it. I pointed out that the deaths from lack of cars without a plan would outweigh the lives saved by removing cars.

It absolutely is worth finding a way to remove cars in their current form. There are also far more effective things we can do, like eat less meat.

[โ€“] Flumsy@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Name one car-addicted person. Like, someone who has withdrawal symptoms.

[โ€“] pedz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Addiction can be psychological.