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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That’s the narrative they teach us, the puritan culture of rigorous labor as penance to God and devout, evangelical Protestantism is what American culture was born out of. However, I think this is bullshit. Yes, the Puritans were early settlers in America, but they were also far from the only ones. Furthermore, their culture pretty much collapsed under the weight of their paranoia and extremism; there’s a reason there’s no significant traces of Puritan culture in New England, while most of the evangelical fanaticism in America is in the South, Midwest and Great Plains, which derived out of unrelated cultures and sects.

The Puritans as Ur American Culture exists less for its historical accuracy and more that it’s a convenient narrative for the bourgeoisie: shoot yourselves up with the opiate of the masses, and don’t whine about things like wage theft because that makes you a sinner in the eyes of God.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, hte calvinist god loves you because you work hard and you work hard because god loves you WASP shit came out of the north. The evangelical fascism is an American local product dating to like hte mid/late 1800s and the second great revival. It's a whole complicated thing, mostly grew out of the necessity to create a society that could view slavery as a virtue. In both places it's very much post-Calvinist protestantism and it's attitudes on labor, society, and being a shit to your neighbors.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, it was derived out of the North, my issue is the singularness that the narrative ascribes to that northern Puritanism. Like you said, it’s a complicated beast with a lot of different inputs but the way the narrative gets presented, it’s everything descends from the Puritans. Like, Jamestown predates the northern settlements but they weren’t puritans.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago
[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

New England opium of the masses

Pretty sure it’s just opium. Sad places up there.