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SEOUL, Nov 23 (Reuters) - A South Korean appellate court on Thursday ordered Japan to compensate a group of 16 women who were forced to work in Japanese wartime brothels, overturning a lower court ruling that dismissed the case and prompting a stern protest from Tokyo.

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[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (42 children)

AFAIU Japan uses this term for a different reason. The government (at least domestically) does not recognize these people as slaves. When they reported on their investigation on whether the sex labor was forced, they purposefully used a language that can be taken both ways. I don't know if Abe's cabinet changed the stance, but the word comfort women is still in use because Tokyo can refer to them without classifying them slaves.

If you have a source for that alternative fact you argue, you are welcome to share it here.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (41 children)

Here in Japan, the term comfort women is used for the exact same reason it is used in English and around the world: it clearly and unequivocally describes the people being it is used to describe.

It's not a weasel word used to avoid talking about the truth. It's just the word that people use to talk about a specific group of victims. It's a useful term that quickly gets us to the core issue, rather than starting at an extremely vague term and requiring clarifying language every time we talk about it. It's just basic communication.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (31 children)

I'm a Japanese. Can you point me to your source now?

Edit:
Here are mine. I should've put these before all this nonsensical nightmare with this person that follows after.

Government denies that "comfort women" were coerced by the Japanese military.

A scholarly article
explaining how Shinzo Abe's government denied coercion in 2007.

Here's the formal Japanese record from the congress.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What source are you looking for? That comfort women refers to women forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese military during the first half of the 20th century? That's just the definition of the word. I'm not sure what you're asking for.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"comfort women"... are very specific sex slaves

That Japanese people recognize them as sex slaves. The government, media and commoners.

This means that I want a FORMAL source from the government. And news articles explicitly stating this. And some scholarly articles that analyze the perception among the commoners.

No god-damn Wikipedia.

If I don't reply the next time, regard it a failure on your side.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ what a level of pedantry is this... I'm not engaging with this kind of bullshit, so go ahead and regard it as "a failure on my side."

Fucking trolls wasting everyone's time and poisoning every discussion...

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, no, you don't show your source. I treat your argument as such.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I made no argument. There's nothing to source.

You're trying to start a kindergarten-level fight and I'm not interested in engaging in that kind of behavior. I'm here for discussion, not pedantry.

Go waste someone else's time with your trolling.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You made an argument. I'm demanding the source of your argument.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keep on going like I didn't twice already say I'm not interested in engaging in trollish pedantry.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll take your words seriously after you learned that calling someone a troll is not a pass to properly making an argument.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And you call me a troll. Wow.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I keep telling you I'm not interested in having this conversation with you, and you keep replying and trying to pick a fight.

That's how everyone reading this knows you're a troll.

When someone repeatedly tells you they're not interested in talking to you, and you keep trying to start an argument, you are a troll.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll take your words seriously after you learned that calling someone a troll is not a pass to properly making an argument.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When someone repeatedly tells you they're not interested in talking to you, and you keep trying to start an argument, you are a troll.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your argument below is suspicious:

Here in Japan, the term comfort women is used for the exact same reason it is used in English and around the world: it clearly and unequivocally describes the people being it is used to describe.

Can you show me a source of this?

That's what I asked. You didn't, and started calling me a troll. I clarified my argument and you just continued calling me a troll. That's on you. You can't show the source.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My god, dude. I told you that I am not fucking interested in engaging with you and you just. will. not. stop. I'm not going to suddenly start engaging with you now that you pretend to want to actually have a discussion. That ship sailed several comments ago.

When someone repeatedly tells you they're not interested in talking to you, and you keep trying to start an argument, you are a troll. You want to argue so fucking bad that you just can't stop trying. You are a fucking troll.

Go start your argument with someone who gives a shit.

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