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I am a bit unconfident about it...

Here, to give a basis of the argument I need to debunk, here's an article from right-libertarian think tank Reason.com to respond to:

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24/race-and-violent-crime/

Blacks, which here means non-Hispanic blacks, were 12.5% of the U.S. population, and non-Hispanic whites were 60.4%. It thus appears from this data that the black per capita violent crime rate is roughly 2.3 to 2.8 times the rate for the country as a whole, while the white per capita violent crime rate is roughly 0.7 to 0.9 times the rate for the country as a whole.

Note: keep in mind he's extrapolating a certain part of the U.S, New York, to the rest of America's national crime statistics

Something in the vein of a masterpost like Naomi's research and rhetoric masterdoc

Easily understandable and accessible, yet with a great amount of statistics put upon it

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I will see if I can find it, but basically, the entire racial connection to crime disappears when you factor class/income into the analysis. Income/wealth is the most powerful and significant predictor of crime, and that income/wealth in America is highly racialized, but it also predicts crime rates among white people, as well.

[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean, yeah, but some losers really do have to be shown this shit lol.

[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

accepting the premise here is such a cop out. You're right, of course

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how I'm accepting the premise? The "racial" connection breaks down because it doesn't explain crime rates among poor whites. When you factor in income inequality, it explains crime rates across races and race ends up not being a statistically significant predictor.

No not you! Sorry, I meant the 'argument' itself is bunkum, and only used to further denigrate black people/imply innate criminality.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope you have it filed up or something... ty for your effort at least....

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's been years since we talked about it in college in one of my classes.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2095046

That is a paper that covers it, but there are other ones out there that come to the same conclusion. I think there might be one from the FBI that also comes to that conclusion. It matches up with other research from the World Bank, which has found that the single most powerful predictor of the variance in violent crime rates between US states and between countries is income inequality (even more so than stuff like the number of guns, which has kind of a dubious statistical connection, anyways).

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/income-inequality-murder-homicide-rates

Thanks! I'm going to check upon the articles