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submitted 2 years ago by neanderthal@lemmy.world to c/climate@slrpnk.net
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I would like to address the doomers.

Just stop. All you are accomplished is dissuading people from trying. Even if we fail, some of us would rather go out feeling good about ourselves knowing that we actually tried. If we succeed, I want to be on the right side of history. If you want to drive a canyonero through a drive through to buy a double cheeseburger on your way to the airport to fly somewhere for a shopping trip: please keep it to yourself.

  • There is still hope
  • Most people want action. I can cite more than one source.
  • Things are starting to turn around. Not as fast as we need to, but we are seeing change
  • Some of us are parents and have a reason to fight with all we have
  • If things get bad, our kids will actually want to have a relationship with us if we cared enough to try
  • Many things that help are economically better on the micro and macro scales

Doomers are the fossil fuel industry's best friend-- even more than the deniers are. If enough people succumb to it, they don't even have to pay lip service to the problem. Doomerism means you can continue to pollute and not even try.

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[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (15 children)

As a doomer, I make it a point to not bother the hopeful with my doom. Why argue? Why bring people down. Yeah, okay, I see something that they don’t, but forcibly informing them of it doesn’t do jack shit for them or me.

I still try to recycle and live fairly low impact. My greatest achievement on that end is not reproducing. We can fully believe mankind is completely and utterly fucked and still choose to be decent human beings.

So, OP, I’m sorry about the ones that see it necessary to run their mouths. It would be better if we kept our doom to ourselves.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago

"It would be better if some of the more vocal among us kept their doom to themselves"

There, I fixed it for you. You? We need more like you speaking up. Self-awareness and nuance is both more convincing, or at least more sincere and relatable than so much that's out in the wild.

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