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I do not know why this specific fact made to the front page or whether if it has something to do with the seige on Gaza right now and American Government being totally pog with it.

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[–] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It for the same reason why the Holodomor is considered an anti-Ukrainian genocide in particular whereas Kazakh deaths, despite being much worse proportionally, are rarely brought up.

There's a dividing line here and I can't qWhite make it out lea-think

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I guess we know that Russia is officially not white

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They’ve had their whiteness pass revoked for a while now

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Europe's never really considered eastern Europeans to be real whites. They've always been a bit too Asian for the west and north.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Fun fact: the original English definition of "Europe" excluded western Russia.

The Brits didn't even know what the Ural hills were until ~1870. When they found out about them, they jumped at the chance to make them define Europe, because they had no other geographic justification (btw these hills are not a plate boundary and do not impede movement, they are basically as nonexistent as hills can be)

There were also multiple British geographers who wanted Britain to be its own continent separate from Europe.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fuck I never knew the Urals were so low they make the Great Dividing Range, the archetypal "barely mountains" look like the fucking Himalayas.

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING white is fake

not just politics, but geography, taxonomy, etc etc

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm old enough that the idea of Ukraine being considered Europe soundes utterly ridiculous.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it's a really good example of how whiteness is contextual and can be extended and withdrawn to suit the situations. Slavs being White seemed utterly preposterous to me, that's just not how racists work, but then the Ukraine war happened and the Ukrainians were immediately race-lifted. And now the Ukrainians all have proud Viking-Aryan heritage as evinced by their definitely not Nazi "ancient heritage" symbols.

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

the aryans weren't white

but yes otherwise true

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nazi "Aryans" or actual historical Aryans?

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago

Reminds me of the very specific type of person who gets mad when people talk about Roma victims of the Holocaust.