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I wish there was at least half the amount of this kind of memes about Russia
This was about settler-colonial states in particular. Not to say I wouldnβt love to see the Bourgeois Russian state go through another 7-11-1917.
That's fair. Wasn't trying to take a jab at you in particular, if it came off that way, I'm sorry
You want communism to return to Russia?
/s
I want Lenin to break out of his glass case and hit Putin with the folding chair
May I ask why?
I would love if Russia returned to socialism and genuinely supported anti-imperialist forces in the global south out of ideological conviction and earnestness rather than cynical realpolitik like it does now. And despite its many contradictions and flaws, the Soviet Union was a genuinely positive force which was an ally to liberation groups all over the world from the very moment it was born, while successfully demonstrating a different path for humanity away from the dismal grip of capitalism, which only "failed" after 70 years of constant siege/invasion from the capitalist powers. The world we're living in is but a consequence of its dissolution, now that the current capitalist hegemon has nothing to keep it in check.
Yes, I want communism to return to Russia, no sarcasm here whatsoever
Well, I was only half joking...
I speak from experience, I live in an ex socialist country. Things were a lot better back then, poverty was almost non-existent... but people tend to look at the bad things of a socialist/communist society because... well, most are westerners here and they've been taught that way - communism bad, capitalism good π€·. Sure, there were skeletons in the closet, but so do capitalist countries, so I don't actually approve of that argument.
If you think the Western public is more anti-Isreal than rabidly anti-Russia, I don't know what to tell you.
Disclaimer: I think they're both fucking awful. Isreal is objectively worse though.
Not the public, just this community. Although it could be confirmation bias on my side
Its also just what's in the news. If Lemmy was big in March 2022, we would likely be flooded with them.
No one on hexbear likes Russia in its current state. No one thinks it is a "neo-USSR" (lmao). Russia is not Communist and no self respecting communist would call it that. The West is imperialist and bad, the most obvious example of this being the entire global south.
Have you ever been on hexbear?
I keep telling people to visit lemmygrad as well, not just talk out of their butts... most people there are OK, they just have somewhat different views on things and how the world should be run.
I mean the fact that you think the people of hexbear support the Russian Federation thinking its communist but then go on to say they have no nuance or political intelligence is kind of funny
sure, make comparisons between Nazi Germany, Apartheid Israel and ... Russia
Are Ukrainians being crammed into a strip being bombed constantly without food or water? Russia despite being reactionary in many ways (eg LGBTQ rights) is relatively tolerant towards religious and ethnic minorities.
Such malicious comparison. Fuck you.
Oh fuck off. Russia is committing cultural genocide and is constantly bombing civilian targets. Russia thinks nothing of bombing hospitals or other civilian infrastructure. The only reason the Ukrainians are not also being crammed into a strip is because Russia's military hasn't been capable of doing that.
Edit: clarity
Yes, they can play dirty, but so does everyone else, so no surprise there.
If by 'playing dirty' you mean 'committing heinous war crimes', no that's not an everyone thing. Sure, the US is also very guilty of it, and needs to be judged accordingly, but that isn't justification for Russia doing the same and more to Ukraine.
I bet you're not as "loud" when US war crimes are in question...
I literally just called out the US for its war crimes and said they should be judged for it...
And I don't recall even the US going as far as to kidnap thousands of children to strip them of their identities.
Yeah, you did... but that is not why we're here, are we.
My point is, US liberals like to say "oh yeah, the US is also bad, but take a look at what that guy is doing"... if the US minded their own business from time to time, I'm confident the world would be a much better place to live in.
Sure. I'm also confident that if Russia did the same, it would also be a better place to live in too.
I don't deny the US does some incredibly messed up shit, hell I don't deny that the US needs to be tried for war crimes, but that's not justification for another country to do the same to a third country.
Actually, it is. If everyone respected the rules set by the UN, there would probably be no war crimes at all. But one side breaks them, then the other... it's a slipery slope after that.
No it's not. It's a shitty excuse. It'd be one thing if Russia was fighting an opponent who was also subjecting their people to war crimes en masse, but that isn't what's happening. This is just silly whataboutism, not a moral justification.
There is no moral justification from one side or the other. Everyone does things they're not proud of. It's just life. You do shit and live with the conseqences. Everyone does that, even heads of state and their partners. Why they do that? That's a whole different question and depends on the pros and cons regarding that decision. My best guess is either power, money or political gain. Everyone does it, the US is no different.
There is. Ukraine is acting in self defense.
Well, they kinda asked for it. They were told not to apply for NATO membership numerous times (this is the real reason why the war started... this and land, but mostly this). When you have a powerful neighbour like Russia, you can't just do whatever you want. USA planting it's ass in Russia's back yard is not something you get to play with. Same thing, but reversed, was with the Cuban missile crisis, but Russia backed off.
You don't get to do whatever you want when you have powerfull neighbours.
And Russia proved valid their reasons for doing so.
But jesus fucking christ, you call that a justification for a complete and total invasion?
That's like blaming a rape victim because they wore revealing clothing.
You don't get to pick and choose your fights with powerful neighbours. We have a saying, power doesn't pray to god. You have to avoid fights with someone who is 20 times your size. Those are just simple facts of life. A monkey doesn't challenge a gorilla for it's territory.
Bro, Russia had already annexed parts of Ukraine in 2014. Russia already proved that they don't give a rat's dick about provocation or lack thereof.
Ukraine would have been stupid to not jump at a chance to join NATO at this point. There was already a clear need for an insurance policy against a Russian invasion.
Seriously dude, how much of a tankie do you have to be to keep victim blaming Ukraine?
Ukraine could have gulped and kept on opening markets towards the east (China and the likes... which is what Russia wants, no doubt there). They should have kept close relations with Russia, even after the annexation, cuz... you know, it's Russia, they can prertty much do whatever they want π€·.
And going on with that logic "my body, my choice", here is where we end up. Thousands of civillians dead, soldiers as well, and they still won't get what they want - being a part of NATO. Russia will never ever let that happen and the war won't stop unless they completely fall back on this.
As I said, you can't do whatever you want when your neighbour is an ex heavyweight champ. Sure, you can call the cops if pushing comes to shoving, but do consider what that person can do to you in the 5, 10 minutes that will take for the police to arrive.
There is literally nothing they could have done that would have kept Russia from invading. Do you keep forgetting they annexed Crimea in 2014?
That was an easy target, plus the population there is mostly Russian, so there was no objection or resistance from the local population. Putin knew this, that's why they went for it. On the other hand, there was going to be war if he tried the same with the rest of Ukraine. And I agree, after reasurrances that Ukraine won't try and be a part of NATO, Russia still finds an excuse to attack, yes, there is no way avoiding war. But, this option was never tried, so we'll never know...
So, when did Ukrainian military bomb Russian civilian infrastructure? I'd like to learn more about that, so that I have something to ask my own government about
Oh please, the US have done that as well, numerious times, then try to cover that shit up. That's nothing new.
Was I asking about the US? Or did Ukraine become another state, while I was asleep?
You didn't, but you should be.
Actually, yes, Ukrainians that happened to live in the east of Ukraine are in fact stuck in a literal war zone without feasible way to live... unless they accept Russian "citizenship", that is
they can get to Europe because they are white enough. Its not an open air prison in the same way Gaza is.
Russian bombing campaign is nothing like Gaza. Gazans can't obtain Israeli citizenship, Palestinian passports aren't widely recognized. Meanwhile both Ukrainian and Russian passports are internationally recognized.
A citizenship is a citizenship. No need for quotes, Russian citizens can get Russian passports, get access to Russian benefits and travel.
Stop making silly comparisons.
The only people who can be compared to the situation Palestinians are in right now are Rohingya Muslims.
No shit, nothing is the same way Gaza is. Doesn't make it a non-issue. And "citizenship" deserves quotes if it's enforced by an invading military.
Also, good luck getting to anywhere, when all airports and major roads leading out of the occupied territory are blocked and/or destroyed.
Ukrainian militias have been shelling Donbas for about 8 years before 2022.