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UFC star Paige VanZant said OnlyFans allows her to make 'life-changing money'

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[–] daed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They don't need to expose themselves online to make a good living though. I think it's important to distinguish that - this is an easy and accessible way for most women to make a few extra bucks or a good living, but they don't need to and there are plenty of options to make a good living that don't require showing off your naked body out there.

The middle class is being squeezed and many if not all jobs should pay more than what they do - not trying to debate that here. But to pretend women have no other options or somehow feel a need to do OF... Disingenuous at best.

[–] KredeSeraf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I'll tell all those women who have tried basically everything else and still ended up there that because it's not literally their only option they should just be okay with it. That our society has this problem to the tune of thousands or tens of thousands who all claim it's the only way to make a livable wage is an enormous problem and censoring it with needless and pedantic clarifications like this is a big part of why our society is this way.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The majority of them already have jobs, sometimes multiple jobs. There's no other options for them.

[–] daed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OF has only existed for 7 years. The lower and middle class has been struggling for much longer than this. Wages have been stagnant for much longer than this. What did these women with 'no other options' do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

People almost always have options... They just may not like them. Let's please all stop pretending these women are forced into or have no other option than OF. They are choosing to because it is a convenient way to make extra income. It's a convenient side hustle. Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves? Much faster and easier. And there's nothing wrong with that - let's just be honest when we have these conversations.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago

What did these women with ‘no other options’ do before OF? What do the struggling men do?

They were forced to do other degrading things. Or illegal things. Or both.

They still are; but they used to, too.

Why would they spend time creating a product to sell or learning a trade or skill when they can point a camera at themselves?

They literally are creating a product to sell. Camming is a skill. Don't shit on sex workers.

let’s just be honest when we have these conversations.

Okay! All jobs are degrading! Your choices under capitalism are just different ways to sell your body and time and mind for a pittance, there is no dignified choice to make where you don't have to sell yourself to survive. This isn't new, OF is just a modern innovation of the same thing.