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[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I doubt it. True random shuffle play is rare, because humans don't understand the chaos of true random generation, we see patterns in it and assume it's not random.

A truly random shuffle can play the same song twice. A truly random shuffle can play multiple songs from the same artist in a row. In the fullness of time all of these will happen with a true random shuffle.

Nothing does that these days. Nearly everything "random" is algorithmically engineered to be less random so it feels more random to humans.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can definitely make a truly random shuffle that doesn’t play the same song twice within a gap of ten songs.

You just make a list of all the song IDs that aren’t in the last ten played, and grab an item at a random index.

Randomness is a texture not a shape. Dice are random despite only being able to present six outcomes.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

But then it is not truly random, that is the point.

The same song 10 times in a row also has a chance of happening in a truly random list.

[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Random pick without replacement is no less random than random pick with replacement. You just have a continuously smaller pool to pick from.

It's absolutely possible to have better randomness/shuffle without repeating songs so often.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

there exist other random distributions than the uniform distribution

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

You’re thinking of a random sequence. We’re talking about shuffling according to a random seed.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

now I wish for a more nuanced configed shuffle because I totally love having a few songs from the same artist back to back but not the same one.