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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

But you can make it actually random by doing this:

  • Tap your profile picture
  • Tap settings
  • Tap Playback
  • Toggle the “Automix” switch to off

Now you have truly random shuffle

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. From what I understand, automix just blends together the ending and beginning of the two songs. For example if there's silence at the end of one song, or 'compatible' music, the 'ai' will try to smooth out the transition like a dj would while making a mix.

Edit: yup, that's what it is https://support.spotify.com/ca-en/article/tracks-transitions/

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Turn off* cross play.
That will give more randomness, but I still get a bunch of songs on repeat in a 3K song playlist. Annoying.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Often completely botching existing transitions on, say, two consecutive songs on an album that already flow into one another.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago

Well it’s some setting. I recently made the switch and now I’m hearing random songs I haven’t heard in years. It’s actually sampling my whole collection as far as I can tell.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I doubt it. True random shuffle play is rare, because humans don't understand the chaos of true random generation, we see patterns in it and assume it's not random.

A truly random shuffle can play the same song twice. A truly random shuffle can play multiple songs from the same artist in a row. In the fullness of time all of these will happen with a true random shuffle.

Nothing does that these days. Nearly everything "random" is algorithmically engineered to be less random so it feels more random to humans.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can definitely make a truly random shuffle that doesn’t play the same song twice within a gap of ten songs.

You just make a list of all the song IDs that aren’t in the last ten played, and grab an item at a random index.

Randomness is a texture not a shape. Dice are random despite only being able to present six outcomes.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

But then it is not truly random, that is the point.

The same song 10 times in a row also has a chance of happening in a truly random list.

[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Random pick without replacement is no less random than random pick with replacement. You just have a continuously smaller pool to pick from.

It's absolutely possible to have better randomness/shuffle without repeating songs so often.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

there exist other random distributions than the uniform distribution

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

You’re thinking of a random sequence. We’re talking about shuffling according to a random seed.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

now I wish for a more nuanced configed shuffle because I totally love having a few songs from the same artist back to back but not the same one.

[–] Caesium@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

you my sir are godsend