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[–] jlou@mastodon.social 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah UBI would solve this. This might be a criticism of contemporary capitalism, but it isn't a critique of capitalism more broadly because in principle, capitalism can have a UBI.

More fruitful anti-capitalist critiques emphasize workplace authoritarianism, the employer's appropriation of the whole product of a firm, monopoly power associated with private ownership especially of land and natural resources, and inability to effectively allocate resources towards public goods

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A strike can last much longer if workers are not worried about their bread and roof.

Even without organization, a secure worker can bargain harder for higher wages and better conditions.

[–] kevinbacon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Aaaaand there it is, the reason they fight so hard to keep you from that security.

Nonviolence won't solve this.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope that the worst kinds of conflict prove avoidable, but historically, there is always someone who fires the first shots.

The Haymarket affair illustrates the matter quite well.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Rights are won with blood, not money; those with money need no rights, and those who need rights have no money.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even a UBI specifically for food- food stamps for all- would make a massive change and improve millions of lives.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

In principle, and even in it's intended general practical application, I agree with you.

But in America, I can see both parties getting on board with a UBI, only because they'll use it to gut all other social welfare programs.

Need healthcare? UBI

Hungry? UBI

UBI can't pay for both at once? Tough shit. We abolished EBT and Medicare to pay for UBI.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

All must be won by struggle. Elites never surrender privilege only by being asked.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago

EBT is a flat 200 a month at most and the ongoing application process is humiliating Kafkaesque bullshit I wouldn't wish on anyone after experiencing it, so I think it would work just fine to shut it down and fold it into a UBI, would be nice and simple and without complications. Health insurance on the other hand, cost varies wildly by circumstance but is generally more expensive, and because of incentives, price negotiations, all the bullshit involved with the system would be way more efficient and cost effective to have a universal healthcare program instead of giving out money to buy into a private insurance industry.

Fortunately, this seems to be recognized in most serious discussions about UBI. Almost everyone quickly acknowledges that the idea of replacing healthcare programs in particular with UBI is stupid. The UBI proposals I've seen that got any attention were explicit that it does not replace those. I don't think it's realistic they would actually try to replace Medicare with UBI.