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Palestinian health authorities in Hamas-controlled Gaza said Israel struck a convoy of ambulances on Friday that was to leave al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City and head to the south of the enclave to evacuate injured people.

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[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't trust an apartheid settler-colonial state run by a wannabe theocratic dictator any farther than I can throw it. Bottom line, you don't have to trust Hamas either to see that Israel's response to Hamas actions are both wildly disproportionate and completely indiscriminate in their targeting. Israeli political figures are on record that they don't believe there is such a thing as an innocent Palestinian civilian and it shows in their willingness to slaughter bystanders by the dozens to get at a handful of suspected Hamas fighters.

I mean, there's a lot to be criticized about the US and its actions in the "global war on terror," but we actually built a missile for this exact circumstance, so that you don't have to blow up an entire goddamn refugee camp to get one or two guys hiding inside it. Israel has the military capability to do something similar, they just don't care. Palestinians aren't people as far as they're concerned.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They do not have this missile and we did the exact same thing as them when targeting militants that use those places for their operations. Any respectable military would because it is legal, ethical, and moral.

Funny you don't mention the fact that the area called refugee camp collapsed because of the tunnels under it.

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its not moral or ethical. Stop. If you think it had to be done thats your opinon and you are entitled to it. Don't pretend it was moral though. That's absurd

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

What in your set of values is considered moral in war?

[–] bbuez@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago

I'm good. I've been. Have you?

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israel has one of the most sophisticated military-industrial complexes in the world, with vast expertise in electronics and remote sensing specifically. If they wanted to build a precision-guided kinetic weapon for targeted assassinations of Hamas fighters in dense urban areas, they could have done it without a second thought. Instead they spend their efforts on building an oppressive surveillance apparatus and robotic machine guns to better punish rock-throwing teenagers, and lob bombs into population centers to deal with Hamas in the area.

re: the tunnels... these things tend to happen when you herd millions of people into a walled ghetto, cut off access to resources, and leave it to be run by what is effectively an overgrown prison gang. The fact that Hamas is willing to use civilians -- nearly half of them children -- as human shields does not excuse the use of indiscriminate force in calling that bluff. Again and again and again, Israel has made it abundantly clear that there is no war crime it will not excuse in the course of these retributive strikes, because the lives of Palestinians are worth less than nothing to Israeli leadership.