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I recently saw Alex's video about XMPP and I got curious.

I am using Element and Schildichat a bit, trying Element X and curious about the new Development here. It seems vibrant, they rewrite stuff in rust, the Apps are fancy and all.

But I tried Conversations and it seems based too, has transparent encryption, it is damn fast, usable, supports groups and files and all. Probably doesnt use the latest fancy Android SDKs but it seems solid.

I was surprised about how fast it was, as Matrix drastically varies per server. But also I found many dead communities, and in general I dont see XMPP at all, while many Projects (if not using Discord, bruh...) have a Matrix room.

How secure is OMEMO in todays standards? Or OpenPGP, compared to Matrix or Signal Encryption? I heard it also has rotating keys and all.

There are other things, like permission systems, chosen federation, privacy, bridge support and more, that are interesting. Are there advanced modern WebUIs for XMPP you like?

I saw that it uses up waaay less resources, why is that? Really, is "simply encrypted mail" somehow worse in an important way?

Similar to IRC, where I never found nice usable apps for my taste, I thought XMPP was deprecated, but that doesnt seem so?

What can you tell me about XMPP, is it modern, secure, privacy friendly?

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

Try contributing to the Matrix specs. It literally has a paywall (only contributing foundation members can do it) and basically any proposal that does not further the business goals of Element gets shot down by the overwhelming majority of Element employees or affiliates on the Matrix foundation board.

So while the protocol is open to use, it does not really fulfill the typical requirement of openess in so far that it is also open for contributions and changes.

This is totally different from the truly open standardisation process for XMPP where anyone can contribute freely and no single company dominates the process.

Edit: the VC funding is for Element / New Vector, but that company fully controls the Matrix Foundation.

[–] chayleaf@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (9 children)

no? anyone can send a spec proposal here. After discussion and implementation, it may well be accepted.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net -3 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Sure, you can beg them to consider your proposal, but I hope you do realize that this isn't the same as an open standardization process, right?

[–] chayleaf@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

sorry, goalpost moving isn't my favorite sport

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

The original objection was about it not being and "open protocol", which is not the same as having the source code of an implementation under an open source license.

That Matrix isn't an open protocol has always been one of the core objections against it. This isn't moving goal-posts, and if you fail to understand the original objection then why are you even commenting on it?

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