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I wish this kind of law could spread to other countries. Especially in North America.
BuT My FrEe SpEeCh???
Yeah, no. This is a threat to free speech. Et shouldn't tolerate intolerance.
Only Communism gets that treatment, fascism is the M.O.
Both should be banned and punished with beatings honestly.
Cut a liberal...
You mean mostly in the US? Canada does not have free speech, and anything inciting is illegal.
Canada does have free speech. Intolerance isn't free speech. Fascism isn't free speech. It's a threat to free speech.
Canada has free speech, just like Germany, the US or many other countries.
Free speech does not mean you cannot ever be punished for anything you say. There is no country in the world where this would be the case.
Much of this is semantics but if you look at the legal texts Germany doesn't have free speech (freie Rede) but freedom of opinion (Meinungsfreiheit). There's a lot of restrictions that don't exist under usual free speech legislations (insult, incitement, etc), but also protections that don't exist elsewhere, like true statement of fact being a water-tight defence against accusations of libel.
Try denying the Holocaust in Canada or Germany, versus say the U.S.
I live in Canada and I prefer our regulated form of free speech, but it's not US free speech.
And if you weren't so enraged by thinking I'm an american saying that the US is the only land of the free speech, you would have seen that I was making the dudes, and Germany's point. He's asking to bring those laws here, but they already exists. Just not in the US
You can be pedantic and argue semantics, we all know what kind of free speech we are talking about here.
Your freedom stops at the exact moment, it limits other people's freedom. There may be exceptions, e.g. talking shit about someone vs. talking about facts. Freedom isn't unlimited and shouldn't be. If you think otherwise, where do we stop? Why is my freedom to randomly murder other people not granted by the state and why do I get in prison for doing it? I have the freedom to do as I please and no-one should stop me!
You're being dumb. I didn't invent the US' definition of free speech. Go argue with them.
And you're onto freedom of murder there, I think you're a little lost.
The irony.
There's no irony. The US justice system literally does not have protections against hate speech, like Canada and Germany.
Arguing that Germany and Canada's laws are also free speech is pedantic. We know very well what the US definition of free speech is.
The US has limitations on it as well, they just draw the line a little further back than others, while you claim that this makes it somehow superior over others.
I start to think that you don't actually know the meaning of pedantic.
Youre not reading any of this right. I even said in a previous comment I'm not American, and wouldn't live under that free speech. I'm Canadian and fine with our form of free speech. The original thread is some dude saying we should bring these German laws to NA. And all i said is that they are in NA (Canada) just not in the US.
Half of you are arguing I think the US is superior, and the other half is saying Canada has as much free speech as anyone else. Too bad none of you can read.
And it's pedantic to pretend I'm talking about free speech in general, when everyone knows the US has a specific meaning for free speech not shared by Canada or Germany. Maybe you just looked up "pedantic" and put all your effort into reading that while leaving none for this thread.
Go argue with this dude that everyone actually has FrEE sPeEECh and tell me that's not pedantic. You know what he means
In the US you can't say certain things about your president. There is no complete and absolute free speech anywhere.
So you can decide what's allowed to be said and what's not? What happens if it does come and all the old people in office flatout ban any mention of gayness and you get thrown in prison for it?
First off, fuck you and your bad faith argument. Second, if I get thrown in jail for supporting gay rights, I'm fine with that, because I know I'm doing the right thing.
Yes and tyrants and terrorists believe the same thing
Not everyone, who uses terrorism is evil
There is this little thing called "human rights" that's at odds with someone doing something like that. Of course, if your legislation only recognises fReEdOm oF sPeEcH, and not so much the Universal Decaration of Human Rights, things like that can happen.
There are laws on what you can say. Its not allowed to insult someone. And its not allowed to insult ethnicities. Basically the same like every other freedom right: it end where the freedom of another person starts. So no, it wouldn't be possible to ban any mention of gayness.
On the other hand, laws don't fully protect you from this. The US has a very wide understanding of freedom of speech and at the same time has a 'don't say gay' bill.
If the laws about free speech were completely different, they'd be bad. OK, now what?
Wouldn't that mean that intolerance has won and there is no more free speech?
I don't understand your argument.
Actually, being a Nazi is a political choice and means being intolerant toward minorities. Meanwhile, being gay is not a political choice, it doesn't harm anyone, and if you were gay you can't "stop being gay" out of spite.
These differences are fundamental.
... and I'm quoting/ paraphrasing some Antifa thinker whose name I have forgotten. Sorry Internet!
That'd be unconstitutional.
I saw this is euroloser sub. Goodbye I only am interested in America
And a shining example of why the US is not taken seriously anymore.
Enjoy your flawed democracy.