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"Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused."

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[–] danhakimi@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (11 children)

if that were true, it would be very easy to actually respond to me instead of just flatly calling me a liar, right?

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I did respond, I didn't flatly call you a liar, I was implying that from my perspective your view seems to either be deliberately antagonistic and untrue or you are not receiving accurate coverage of the conflict. I love Jewish people, I'm not an antisemite or desire any sort of death for Jews or any other group for that matter, but the actions of Israel should be condemned, and they have engaged in massive misinformation campaigns related to Palestine for decades. This is not to say I don't also condemn terrorism and killing of civilians by Hamas as well. But it is relevant to examine who is the original aggressor in the conflict and for what reason the conflict began.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

You still won't respond to the point that Hamas is, in fact using Palestinians as human shields. you still just abstractly insist that believing that makes me a dumbass and is nothing but Israeli propaganda. But you don't have anything substantive to say.

You condemn terrorism, except on the internet, where you defend it. You don't want people to die, unless Hamas also wants them to die, in which case you'll divert and deflect all you want.

The original aggressor in the current conflict is Hamas. The original aggressor in the region is a complex, hazy question, but it very obviously predates the 1948 date people just love to focus on. Edit: Here's a starting point, if you need one

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would I respond to baseless points that are leveled against resistance groups without fail EVERY TIME there is a conflict like this? It's tired, I'm not that young, I've heard all of this already. What is your basis for saying Hamas has been purposely using Palestinians as human shields? I would have the same discussion in person, I'm open with my beliefs. I don't want Hamas to kill anyone FFS, I'm a Buddhist and a vegetarian, I don't even want someone to kill a fly, putting words in my mouth is not a useful way to win an argument.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not going to debate with anybody evil enough to call the rapists and baby-murderers at Hamas a "resistance group." If you're intentionally going to spread pro-Hamas propaganda, you can go fuck yourself.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You haven't even attempted any sort of debate at all or even seem to have read my posts so I will gladly go fuck myself instead of wasting my time.

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