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‘My children were saying: Let them just kill us’: British doctor trapped in Gaza with family calls for ceasefire (www.theguardian.com)

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The doctor, who did not want to be named for fear of being targeted by the Israelis, arrived in Gaza with his wife and three teenage children three days before Hamas launched its murderous assault on 7 October, in which it killed about 1,300 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages.

Speaking hours before the Israelis imposed a communications blackout on Gaza on Friday, the doctor said that his and many other children who were all living in the same house had become so traumatised and terrified at night that they talked about wanting to be hit and killed by the next strike rather than have to wait until morning for the bombing to die down.

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Deterrence via a show of overwhelming force never works? I strongly disagree, historically it has prevented significant numbers of wars and attacks, and I suspect it is the reason why in recent decades Israel has only been attacked via guerilla actions and not openly by hostile neighboring states. Pax Americana would not be possible if this didn't work.

Will it work in this instance? Hard to say, Palestinian reprisals seem hard to deter given that they persist despite how many times they have been overwhelmingly defeated or how many carrots and sticks Israel provides. I think this time the goals might be different though, I would not be surprised at all if they level the north of Gaza and move the wall after they've taken out Hamas targets there.

The latest news about Israel's intentions in Gaza seems unusual but not very specific:

"The third phase will require the removal of Israel’s responsibility for life in the Gaza strip, and the establishment of a new security reality for the citizens of Israel," the minister said, according to a statement from his office.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-aims-end-its-responsibility-gaza-strip-minister-2023-10-20/

I wonder what it means?

[–] pragmakist@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Deterrence and prevention are different from post facto responce, and show of force is different from application of force.

Consider what went wrong in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vitenam. Consider how many Indian lives it took to end the Indian wars the hard way. Consider the Black and Tans in Ireland. Consider what happened when the Nazis slaugthered whole villages. Consider the Sovietunion in that war (27 million lost out of a total population of 200 million)

Now find the cases, please, where actually sending the troops in helped in something like this.

And then take note of how limited the deployment were, or how special the circumstances.

[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Deterrence and prevention are different from post facto responce

Presumably Hamas was not completely finished with their efforts after October 7th.