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and about 92% of them are NATO leftists who hate every AES country and think people like Vaush sound intelligent.
I think you're cutting yourself off at the knees if you assume that. Obviously I doubt the majority are theory-hardened communists, but this obviously represents a popular swell of public opinion despite our inability to act so far on anything as "the left" in the US
I wonder how many of the revolutionary proletarians during the rise of communism knew their shit. Not many I guess, but they had people they followed that did, like Lenin, even if they didn't completely understand the theory or fully agreed with it.
Then again people back then didn't have a century of propaganda to deal with..
It's pretty obvious almost none of them. The Chinese civil war picked up millions of conrades along the way and there is absolutely 0 chance most, or even a significant portion of them spent weeks or months cramming a bunch of theory in their free time while working for their feudal/war lords before defecting
A lot of them just heard that the communists were promising them their own land, guaranteed nourishment for their entire family, and how much better their followers were being treated
Hexbear stop overestimating Vaush's influence challenge (impossible).
If it was not for hexbear, I don't think i wouod have ever heard of him
come on, you know that's not true
I love talking politics with people and I have talked to A LOT of libs. Most agree that we need to tax the corporations more, the capitalists have gotten too greedy, we should spend more of the defense budget on healthcare, infrastructure etc.
Not a single one of them thinks that revolution should be anywhere on the table. And when some of them finally admit that China is doing something good, it’s only because China is not socialist, it is a capitalist country! That’s why it is able to raise the living standards of its people because they have adopted some of our capitalist policies! But unlike us, they’re totalitarians!
They're not dedicated communists, but neither are they dedicated radlibs. If streamers are your yardstick, Vaush has 240k followers on twitter. Hasan has 1.4 million.
Political americans, especially those of us who get more than our recommended daily intake of internet, have trouble understanding this, but most people do not care about politics as such.
Hasan is a first worldist? Really?
Is this a bit? It's just a normal house.
It's a nice house yeah, but it's just a house, and his extended family lives in it.
But yeah being a socialist means not having a house. Kulaks were Kulaks because they had homes, not because they were petty agricultural capitalists who acted against the revolution. Real theory hours.
Despite that, saying Hasan is a First Worldist is insane, regardless of whatever your house opinion of him is. He's been consistently supportive of struggles in the global south, and critical of imperial ventures.
This is such an aesthetics focused, vibe based, reach of a criticism lol. The North Hollywood-Long Beach bourgeois housing line. He'd have the same money regardless of where he bought his house, and he'd have earned in the exact same way.
His material relationship to how he generates that money is what matters. He's not a capitalist. He's not even a petite bourgeois. The exact location of his zip code isn't a defining ideological marker.
Ideology is stored in the zip code
i don't know when saloons became "sports cars" but the taycan is almost as stupid of a product as the hummer EV
That's fair yeah.
Hey, DAE think living in a house you can afford makes you a class enemy?
What does AES stand for?
"Actually existing socialism," countries where socialism is the dominant mode of production, such as Cuba.
Thank you
Actual existing socialism, usually a reference for states that were or are ran by a communist party that was or is attempting to build towards a socialist society with historical and material proof of that.
Thank you
Actually Existing Socialism
Gotta start somewhere.