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The IDF revealed on Friday, what it described as intelligence showing a Hamas command center located under a the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. In a briefing, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari told members of the foreign press corps that there are areas in the hospitals that are used by Hamas to direct its military operations.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Do Israeli leaders know that when a terrorist uses “human shields,”, you aren’t supposed to kill the “human shields”? You’re supposed to prove you’re better than the terrorist by valuing civilian life.

“Human shields” in quotes because they seem to think Hamas using tunnels makes all of Gaza a human shield. But if you value human life on the x and y axis and kill civilians on the z axis, you’re still a war criminal. Real life is 3D.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not quite - you are meant to respond in a proportional way and minimise civilian casualties. It sucks, but civilians die in war and this must be minimal.

Level the whole building - non proportional, didn't minimize casualties, probably a war crime (as it is a military target it may be considered acceptable).

Blockades to remove hamas strength and stop aid supplies that aren't getting to civilians anyway- proportional and minimises as opposed to what else can be done.

Restricting resources then invasion - legal to remove a threat, proportional, minimize casualties.

Interestingly this is the exact same response a police force will do if someone blockades themselves inside a building with human shields and takes pot shots at everyone walking past - starve, remove strength and resources, get as many hostages out as you can then invade it.

Using civilians as a human shield in a state-state conflict is a war crime, however if hamas is considered a terrorist organization rather than a state it is no longer war and not technically a war crime. I believe other laws come into play however, its been a while.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I don’t have a problem with crushing the Al-Qassam Brigades or crushing Hamas leadership structure. I do have a problem with the loose definition of human shield and pretending the health ministry is the Al-Qassam Brigades.

I root for team civilian but even if I had a special place in my heart for Israel, I think what they’re doing is counterproductive. Every civilian killed means two terrorists a few years from now.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

get as many hostages out

Ah I see Israel skipped this step because they don't care about the hostages (and neither does Egypt for that matter)

[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s not what the geneva convention says. The right of self defense takes precedence. So according to international law those locations become valid targets. They are not “supposed to keel over and die”, that’s not valuing their own lives.

The right of self defense takes precedence

It stopped being self defense a while ago bud