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Both sides are so morally bankrupt it's disgusting.
You can condemn Hamas without defending Israel. Condemning Hamas is not anti-Islam.
I condemn both Hamas and the Israeli government, because they are both a bunch of murderous assholes who are responsible for atrocities.
Sometimes I also have this silly idea that we should hold governments to a higher standard than terrorist groups when it comes to not committing atrocities considering they are supposed to have a chain of command and some rules while a terrorist group could in theory start shit again if any individual member doesn't want to stop.
Especially when you consider that Netanyahu has been supporting Hamas:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
I keep hearing people say that Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people, yet they don't want to call out Hamas. So which is it? Is calling out Hamas anti Palestinian or does Hamas not represent Palestinians? The people refusing to call out Hamas can't seem to decide.
You mean the people on Lemmy?
I'll call them out for you: Hamas is a piece of shit and needs to be removed. Apartheid needs to end.
Both things can be true at the same time.
That depends what you mean by calling out Hamas. Their terrorist actions are of course despicable but twisting every civilian victim of Israel's bombing campaign as "Hamas was using them as human shields so it is not Israel's fault" equally so.
Who has claimed that?
She is taking the opportunity. Let's see in the European elections next year whether this is a cunning move. The (worrying to me) idea that is passing is that it's ok to be racist, provided that you aren't antisemitic. As if the only error of last century's totalitarianism was antisemitism. We're being very short sighted.
People who really think that LePen and her fascist friends wouldn't turn on the Jews eventually are bloody stupid. At the very least it would be the Jews turn when the other more easier minorities have been "dealt" with. There always needs to be an enemy and they never run out of them. The only question is when it's your turn and not if.
LFI are doing exactly that, but the whole country is shitting its collective pants over it because it sounds so much more anti-Israel than every other party's discourse.