Trying to focus on the slaughter of regular Israelis and whether it's good or evil to attack civilians is just such a ridiculous approach to me. The question has no meaning in this context. If you don't want kernels to pop take the pot off of the flame, if you refuse to do that then shut the fuck up about it.

Like obviously it sucks that everyday people were intentionally killed but the blame is just being put on the entirely wrong place, it's just individualist moralism that works to strip the event of any context. It feels like it's a rhetorical funnel whose function is to push those who engage in this moralizing to the next logical point in the talking-point journey: whether Israel has a right to defend itself.

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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

The westerners who decided to move to Israel in modern times - not as a reaction to the holocaust - are responsible for the civilian deaths alongside the government that encourages them.

A man takes your home and exiles you to some fucking cramped apartment then trickles down food and water to you whenever he feels like it. A reasonable human being responds by killing the man responsible. And he’s responsible for putting anyone else in harm’s way when you kill him, because it never would’ve come to this had he treated you like a human being.