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[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Retired people can contribute time to their families, the community, and other non-capitalist endeavors. So could one spouse in a single income family, or those that don't need to work for income, but to generate profit every adult is now expected to work and never retire.

[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Retired people can contribute time to their families, the community, and other non-capitalist endeavors.

Of course, and that's great. But who pays for the UBI? Rich people? And what do we do when we have taken everything from them, or they move overseas?

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They will get UBI too so worst case they hit the same floor as everyone else.

But they will never reach that point because taxing the rich will never make them anything other than the richest of the population. They will still be rich, just with a smaller gap between them and everyone else.

As a side note, why are you worried more about the rich than the poor?

[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As a side note, why are you worried more about the rich than the poor?

I am not. I'm offering the argument that a UBI may well lead to a less productive population, which makes it even harder to maintain a UBI in the first place.

They will get UBI too so worst case they hit the same floor as everyone else.

But if there are no longer rich people to be taxed because they have been sucked dry then there is no source to fund the UBI. Hence the notion that "rich people will fund the UBI" doesn't fly. Not to mention that wealthy people find it relatively easy to move to other countries with less taxes.