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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 174 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Are people still saying Israel is the good guys? Do good guys do this?

Do good guys kill Reuters cameramen?

Do good guys bomb hospitals?

Do good guys commit genocide?

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Yes, they are. My CEO sent out an email this morning about how he's saddened by "the attacks on Israel" and glad "all our Israeli employees are safe". He closed with "we stand with Israel". No mention of any sadness or fucks given for all the dead Palestinian civilians.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

God I remember during the George Floyd protests our CEO sent an email statement that was basically "blue lives matter". I was happy to leave that company.

[–] Zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id 15 points 2 years ago

No good guys in wars.

[–] sudo@lemmy.today 14 points 2 years ago

Heh, I had a similar reaction when reading a similar email. There certainly have been "Horrific terrorist attacks". Except from all sides.. for many decades...

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago

Our CEO was careful and only mentioned support for the Israeli employees and didn't mention any conflict.

And we're donating to the Red Cross. I think it makes sense.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

There was a controversial and sexist bait letter someone at Google wrote before being let go and it was heavily propped up by right wing media as an example and justification that everything Google does from now on is left wing because they're cancelling this poor sexist man.

My first long term job's company instructed HR to print out the letter and give a strong endorsement of it for seemingly no reason. It basically just read to me as, "Women have strongsuits other than business success like emotions and raising children and their lack of pay is actually justified and good." that they wanted to come from our female head of HR as opposed to our do nothing remote from Florida male CEO. These rich people are no smarter than anyone else, they just use bigger words as they stick their foot down their own throat.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

CEO suddenly emailed out a "terrorism is never ok" email early this week expressing concern and acknowledging the pain of the Hamas attacks...as if anything has occured in a vacuum there in the last 60 years.

I do not apologize for the murders by Hamas over the weekend, just as I do not for the now even more retaliatory murders by Israel this week or any killings on either side for decades. Montagues and Capulets both were assholes.

The idea any organizational head from some random industry in a foreign country could even understand the basic dynamics, let alone decades of murder and loss on both sides, and still make a statement that would in any way walk a line of objectivity is so startlingly naive it boggles the mind. And other than their fucking irrepressible egoism, they would claim they're doing this for their employees? Company? Just STFU when you don't know the field of play!

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure there's such a thing as "good guys" anymore.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think the Netanyahu regime are the good guys, but I didn't think the Trump regime were the good guys either. I don't endorse blaming a nationality for the actions of shitty leaders, especially shitty leaders who have directly undermined democracy in their countries.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wild to me that you conflated Netanyahu and Trump, rather than Israel and Hamas. But either way, I agree.

I don’t think what Hamas has done is “cool, chill and dope”, but I certainly understand living under the violence of apartheid and becoming violent yourself.

Especially when your prayer, worship and protest are met with military action by your “supervisor”(?)

What else are you supposed to do if you’re a Palestinian? They can’t even live a normal day of peace, that doesn’t exist for them.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wild to me that you conflated Netanyahu and Trump, rather than Israel and Hamas.

I consider Netanyahu and Trump to be elements of the modern international neofascist movement, aka "illiberal democracy".

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Makes sense. I just thought it was a little out of left field.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or, currently, the Killing Fields

[–] P1r4nha@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those were from communist extremists though.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In case any reads this as affirming their belief that communists are fans of genocide, other communists from Vietnam invaded Cambodia and stopped the genocide referred to by the 'killing fields.'

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Do good guys commit genocide?

I was arguing with someone about that. Their unwavering position was that population in Gaza is growing, so it cannot be a genocide. UN genocide definition was wrong in their eyes. I tried to compromise to call it "only" ethnic cleansing, they seemed unimpressed. Then they called me a tankie.

Just take that in: it's not a genocide because not enough evil sand people died. What the actual fuck?

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What the fuck. Who are they listening to? I have also heard the "UN genocide definition is wrong" argument - but because it's incomplete. The UN definition is too strict to categorize all genocides into.

Shooting from tbe hip on this exact stat, but 10 - 15% of the population of Gaza is over 25. Gaza is basically 2 million children and teenagers. Whom all have PTSD.

[–] cantrips@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

36% are over 25.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago

Does the term "good guys" make sense outside of comic book movies?

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

When the news reports deaths, Israeli's are "killed," and Palestinians "die."