@Ooops @Wilshire @Candelestine @bstix #5: Since when, since when, is the help to protect a nation from a unjustifiable attack on its sovereignty and survival, interpreted as an attack on the aggressor-country? I can only wonder about the mental state of such an interpreter. Ukraine is, as terrifying and sad as that is, close to collapse and extinction, because of the scale of that attack. It isn’t even sure if Ukraine can shoulder that situation, with our help. Do you understand that? /3

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Sorry, but you are just completely lost. Denial of assistence on state-level instead of indivuduals? What are you dreaming? And Security guarantees in the Budapest memorandums? There were none! Just read them, they are openly available. And some confused ramblings of how countries might have hinted at help in exchange for signing those are worthless. Just as worthless as for example Russias claims that NATO countries have hinted on gunaranteeing to not enlarge NATO after the German reunification and soon after creation of again independent eastern European countries after the desolution of the Soviet Union. Oh... and even if there were actual security guanrantees... how are people constantly managing to claim these from countries not even signatories?

[–] NAFO_69th_Sniffing_Brigade@mastodon.social 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

@Ooops @Wilshire @Candelestine @bstix And another thing: If you really insist, not to understand why you HAVE to do EVERYTHING to save Ukraine, even with foreign troops, then good for you. The whole world is watching a bully being treated like fine porcelain, while the victim needs to beg for help? The impact on every citizen in the free world, who learns that lesson, can not be overestimated. With such actions you undermine your authority in your own countries. You don’t get this?

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