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[–] FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (59 children)

I mean... I'm a capitalist who doesn't defend billionaires and also doesn't feel left out... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] gayhitler420@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Are you though?

Do you own the means of production and employ people to operate it, paying them a fraction of the value their labor produces?

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future? Do you exert outsized control over municipal, regional and state government far beyond your “vote” if you live in a place that claims to be a democracy? Does that control come from your power over the means of production that you control?

Supporting a society controlled by the people described above does not make you a capitalist, being one of the people described above does.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I do not agree with you, gayhitler420. That sounds as polarized as US politics.

[–] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Does lemmy.ml/c/rimjob_steve exist yet?

Edit: nope :(

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future?

I'm pretty sure that's just a strawman version of capitalism. Plenty of capitalists who had their life's work taken during a communist revolution and were at best told they could come back as a manager worked plenty hard. Didn't save them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, capitalism is the system that creates this. Capitalists are the ones living comfortably at the top of their piles of money while we work to make them that money.

And yes being a capitalist didn't save them from having to work like everyone else, boohoo evil commulism.

[–] gayhitler420@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

may i see them?

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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (35 children)

If you support capitalism, then yes, you defend billionaires.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Capitalism is what allows billionaires to exist. If you are pro-capitalism, you are pro-billionaires. They are the real capitalists because the are the ones with real capital (and capital = power).

Even if you support better worker pay, trans rights, healthcare or what have you, you are just asking big money for it, not actually taking it. They are the ones deciding in the end.

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