What we've learned from this whole affair is that Russian army isn't demoralized and there is no potential for mutiny. The gamble was clearly based on the idea that a significant portion of the army would flip, and that simply didn't happen. Practically all of the political and military establishment showed unity against the coup. This likely allowed Russia to clean house well which means that this sort of fiasco is even less likely to succeed going forward.

Hope you're well stocked up on copium, gonna need a lot of it going forward.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are you smoking? Do you think this has made Putin look stronger or weaker?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Anybody with a couple of brain cells to bang together understands that this allowed Putin to further consolidate power and purge any dissidents. So, yes, Putin is obviously in a stronger position now than he was previously.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

By losing his only actually effective branch of military???

LOL

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

First, it's pretty hilarious that you think wagner is the only effective branch of Russian military. Second, you're even wrong there because what's actually happening is that wagner is now integrated directly into the military. You really make a sport out of being confidently wrong. LOL

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was the only effective branch in Ukraine. Russian subs are good, but they are of no use in this war.

Their air force doesn't seem to have air superiority more than a year later, not very effective.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah yes, that's why Ukrainian offensive has run into a wall for the past 4 weeks. You are very intelligent and rational.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They are not using the mass wave attack method dating from the first world war like Russia did, no.

They've got lots of shiny new kit and well trained troops who actually want to fight these invaders, so they'll use combined forces attacks, like the Russians were incapable of, following a reconnaissance by fire period to test the defensive line.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're literally using mass wave attacks, and if Russia actually did that they would've lost a long time ago. Even western propagandists now admit that this offensive has stalled.

Here's how things were supposed to go https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-attack-bakhmut-himars/

Ukraine was supposed to make a major breakthrough in the first 24 hours, and that was crucial for sustaining the momentum for this offensive. We're now into week 4 of the offensive, and Ukraine failed to even reach the first line of defence. They're still in the gray zone.

Now CNN openly admits that the offensive isn't meeting expectations https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/ukraine-counteroffensive-western-assessment/index.html

ISW writes that Ukrainian forces may be temporarily pausing counteroffensive operations to reevaluate their tactics for future operations. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-18-2023

It's an unmitigated disaster, but you evidently live in an alternate reality guzzling state propaganda that your regime churns out. 😂

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

I love the fact the links you keep providing keep undermining your own point 🤡

ISW has previously noted that Ukraine has not yet committed the majority of its available forces to counteroffensive operations and has not yet launched its main effort.[10] Operational pauses are a common feature of major offensive undertakings, and this pause does not signify the end of Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

[–] PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

A significant portion of the army stood by and did nothing. That's not quite flipping, but it's close