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[–] runblack@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (38 children)

And that belief is pacifism? That's of course a legitimate opinion to hold. But mine is different. The US has committed their fair share of atrocities over the decades. But I live in Germany. And if it weren't for the US involvment in WW2, I might be living in a fascist shithole today. So... is that comparable to the situation in Ukraine? Imo it is to a certain degree. Is war horrible? Of course, we should never fight them. But if someone wages war, ignoring all means of diplomacy because they think they'll profit from it, and your only option to end the war immediately is surrendering to maximalist demands.. with the expectation that this will again continue in some years with new demands... What you gonna do?

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (23 children)

And if it weren't for the US involvment in WW2, I might be living in a fascist shithole today

Correction, if it wasn't for Soviet involvement, the Germans smashed their military capacity against the Red Army, not the Americans who were lucky to break out of Normandy thanks to the Reds holding down and destroying millions of German soldiers, you Germans love to misread your own history

So... is that comparable to the situation in Ukraine?

There's a comparison in that there are nazis in Ukraine who want to cleanse the Donbass and Crimea of Russian speakers, of course that basic fact about this nine year old conflict undermines the propaganda peddled by the same con artists who claimed Saddam had nukes

But again, Euros like you love misreading history so all this probably flew over your head

[–] runblack@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago (22 children)

Good god. How nice of you to clear me up about the history of my own country hahaha. I'm sure the invasion in Normandy was basically a stroll in the park for the Americans. And the Eastern Germans they were so glad about their "liberation" that the Soviet govt had to build a wall to keep people from running away from this GLORIOUS "democratic" state. Even shot people who wanted to exercise their right to leave.

But lets leave it at that. There's no sense in discussing with someone who thinks they are all-knowing keepers of the truth without even knowing the definition of doubt.

[–] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Germans don't get to talk about their own WW2 history with any authority, you get to sit down and listen because it was your grandparents that fucked up and it was them that were re-installed back into power and it was them that determined your cultural and educational upbringing. You are the least qualified people on Earth to talk about fascism or German history with any arrogance. You should feel a lot more shame, and do a lot more listening to the communists.

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